tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-82142187114003166932024-02-18T23:44:49.739-08:00GeneablogHere you'll find: information that usually goes out to the Gates Cousins email list, biographies of special characters as they are discovered and added to the family tree, research histories of select cases, questions and wonderings about hard-to-solve
searches and other miscellaneous thoughts about genealogy and its mysterious ability to transcend time, changing us hundreds of years after the changing event occurred.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-13111237541315100092016-08-31T00:20:00.000-07:002016-08-31T00:22:18.916-07:00Marilynn Weiss Marshall, 1933-2016<br />
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It is with great sadness that I share that we have lost our dear Gates cousin, Marilynn Weiss Marshall, who lived in Carmel, Indiana.<br />
She passed away July 20, 2016, at age 83.<br />
Marilynn was the grand daughter of Christina Barbara Gates, and Christina was sister to our great grandfather, John Charles Marcus Gates. That made Marilynn our "second cousin, once removed."<br />
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Marilynn found me on
Ancestry.com and shared with me all the research that she had done on
our mutual Goetz (and Gotz) ancestors in Germany. Without Marilynn, we would have
never known that our great grandfather had 4 siblings. We thought he had just one
brother.<br />
And we would have never known that our Goetz ancestors were
"feilenhauer"( filemakers) in Nuremburg, Germany.<br />
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Marilynn gave us so much information we could have never imagined. Marilynn shared the heartbreaking letter that one of the Gates sons wrote to Marilynn's grandmother, Christina, explaining about the death of the first Gates grandchild, "Victor Eugene," son of Gertrude Gates and Albert Vogel. Marilynn and her sister shared many photos of the Goetz family in Germany, and in Indiana, and we had quite a time trying to figure out who they all were. She even had a photo of John Charles Marcus Gates, his wife Lizzie and their daughter, Gertrude, visiting Christophe Gates' (John Gates' father) grave in Germany.<br />
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Thank you Marilynn for all your research and friendship. I hope we will go on to find more about our Gates ancestors in Germany, in honor of you. We will miss you!<br />
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<i>Obituary, KPC News, July 24, 2016</i></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">CARMEL
— Marilynn C. Marshall, 83, of Carmel, passed away on July 20,
2016.</span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">She
was born May 17, 1933, in Angola, Indiana to the late Carl and Lois
(Wolfe) Weiss.</span></i></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">Marilynn
was a registered nurse and her career spanned many states including
Colorado, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Indiana. In Indiana, she was the
Director of Nurses for St. Vincent New Hope and later continued as a
nurse for Community Hospital. Marilynn was a member of Carmel United
Methodist Church for 40 years, participating in two medical
missionary trips to Mexico and was a member of Stephen Ministries. In
addition, Marilynn was a regent for the Daughters of the American
Revolution.</span></i></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">She
is survived by her husband, Edwin W. Marshall; her three children,
Christina (Joel) Larson, Donise (Scott) Gehrisch, and Robert (Guy
O'Neill) Marshall; ten grandchildren; sister, Suzanne (Richard)
Bottomley; and her brother, John C. (Elaine) Weiss.</span></i></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">Visitation
will be from 3-5 p.m. Monday at Carmel United Methodist Church at 621
S. Rangeline Road, with the memorial service immediately
following.</span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">In
honor of Marilynn's passion for medical mission work, memorial
contributions can be made to Samaritan's Purse, to help supply
countries in need of medical supplies.</span></i></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">Friends
and family are encouraged to leave condolences for Marilynn and her
family at </span><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flannerbuchanan.com/"><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif;"><u>www.flannerbuchanan.com</u></span></span></a><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif;">.</span><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span></i><i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;"><b>Flanner
and Buchanan – Carmel</b></span><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></i></div>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">325
E Carmel Dr<br />Carmel, IN 46032<br />(317) 848-2929 </span></i>
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<i><span style="font-family: "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">Published
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-90690182379257326752016-03-11T17:18:00.003-08:002016-03-11T21:45:27.390-08:00Mary Jane Gates or Mary Reuter Gates?<div style="text-align: center;">
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In an earlier blog, I had posted a photo of a young woman who I thought was Mary Jane Gates, my mother's first cousin. I had good reason to think it was her. There were captions on the back which, even though written by teen-agers, and in somewhat indecipherable handwriting, seemed to indicate who the person in the photo was. That is, if you are thinking in terms of captions that people write on the back of photos.<br />
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Then recently, I got a match on 23and Me of a second cousin, daughter of who I thought was Mary Jane Gates in the photo. She introduced me to her sister, who is also our new second cousin. My new dna match and her sister descend from our grandfather's (Augustus J. Gates) brother, Albert Gates and his wife, Alvina Knapp. The supposed Mary Jane Gates, in the photo, was Albert and Alvina's daughter.<br />
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I was so happy to show my new cousin and her sister this photo.<br />
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Only trouble was, she said, "that's not my mother."<br />
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What?<br />
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"My mother didn't live in Louisville, KY, and did not go to Atherton High School." <br />
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To prove it, she sent me a photo of her mother. She was right! She knew what her mother looked like!<br />
This is a photo of our new cousins' mother, the <i>real </i>Mary Jane Gates. <br />
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Then who was in the first photo?<br />
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"Maybe it's Mary Reuter Gates," our new cousin said. Mary Reuter Gates was another of our mother's first cousins. Mary Reuter Gates was the daughter of John M. Gates, one of our grandfather's other brothers.<br />
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So I went back to the original photo and tried again to figure out what the cryptic words on the back meant.<br />
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This is the backside of the photo:<br />
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"<i>Return in ? years to [J?] M Gates 2114 Kenilworth, Louisville, KY.</i></div>
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<i>This brings pleasant memories. Jane? [or J.M?] Gates.</i></div>
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<i>Henrietta Fallis. I have carried this picture since 9/12/25. Reward</i></div>
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<i>8/3/27 Given to my Dearest cousin, 'Connie' " </i>[Connie Gates, my mother, was 15 in 1927.]</div>
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The address says: "2114 Kenilworth, Louisville, KY." Mary Reuter Gates' family DID live in Louisville, KY. And 2114 Kenilworth turns out was their family's address on the 1930 census. Was she saying return this photo to "J.M Gates," meaning her <i>father</i>'s address: "John M. Gates"?<br />
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There are so many other possibilities of what the signatures could say. Mary Reuter could have been going by a nickname, "J.M." Gates. The first initial "J" might be an arrow pointing to the name. Her father, J.M Gates (John M. Gates) might have signed her photo himself. (unlikely).<br />
What do you think?<br />
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I originally found the friend "Henrietta Fallis" in the Atherton High School year book. Looking there again, I now found Mary Reuter Gates in 1925. She does look more like the original photo.<br />
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So the photo has got to be of Mary Reuter Gates.<br />
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On hindsight, I believe that the signatures on the back of the photo are
like signatures on yearbook photos, when you sign your name on your friend's photo. And the names are those of friends signing, not captions of the person in the photo.<br />
The friends signing it are (first
cousin) (Mary) Jane Gates, friend Henrietta Fallis, and it was passed on to
(first cousin) Connie Gates. <br />
<i>"This brings pleasant memories, Jane Gates"</i> could be Mary Jane Gates'
signature on her cousin, Mary Reuter Gates,' photo. Mary Jane Gates did go by "Jane" Gates.<br />
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What high school cousins would think that their daughters and grand-daughters would someday be struggling to figure out what they wrote on their high school photos?<br />
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According to our new second cousins, Mary Reuter Gates never married or had any children.<br />
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I wondered about Mary Reuter Gates' brother, John M. Gates, Jr., who was two years younger. <br />
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If only we had some yearbook photos for him!<br />
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...but wait...<br />
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Here is John Gates' senior picture at University of WA, 1934. His listed birth age is 1911 which matches his birth record, 13 Mar 1911, from the KY Birth Index.<br />
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Could this be Mary Reuter Gates' brother?<br />
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Social Security Death Index shows John Gates, born 13 Mar 1911 (our John M. Gates' birth date), died in Jan 1982, with a last place of residence, to be Vancouver, Clark, Washington. His SS card was issued in KY, so he seems to be our Gates cousin. Well, he'd be our parents' first cousin and our first cousin, once removed.<br />
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This John M. Gates, Jr., had a wife, Mary I., and at least one daughter, born about 1940.<br />
That means we have another living female second cousin (children of first cousins are second cousins), whose maiden name was GATES, possibly living in WA state. Did she have brothers or sisters born after 1940? Did she have children? And what name might they carry? Does anyone in the family know anything about John M. Gates, Jr. and his daughter?<br />
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More research for the curious.<br />
If ONLY we had some genealogy sleuths in our family living in WA!<br />
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<span style="font-size: x-small;">R1b: Gates (Goetz) and Myers (Maier) origins</span><br />
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GATES MYERS Y-TEST RESULTS, OR LACK OF...</div>
Hello Gates family, cousins, and interested readers. It's been a busy year or so for the Gates extended family. We've taken two Y-tests: one for GATES and one for MYERS. Thanks Bill and Gus for testing! And thanks to all those who donated to pay for the tests! We have waited patiently for the results. BOTH tests returned as haplogroup R-M269, or in old vernacular, R1b1a2. <br />
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With the same haplogroup, one might think that this meant that our Myers/Maier and Gates/Goetz ancestors were members of the same larger clan. They may have been part of the same larger population but that population appears to be all of western Europe. The haplogroup R1b1a2 is the dominant branch of R1b, the most common group in all Europe. Doesn't exactly pin down the ancestors.<br />
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And then we waited for exact matches who might give us some inkling of our German ancestors...and we waited...and waited...with not much to show.<br />
The GATES 37-marker Y-test, in over a year and a half, has netted us exactly 7 matches, all only 12-marker tests ("low resolution"), with no 25 or 37-marker matching results and none with the surname GATES or GOETZ. Different surnames means that those 7 matches are from a time before surnames were adopted, so aren't of any use for genealogical searching. This is a bit of a disappointment.<br />
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The MYERS 67-marker Y-test, since Oct 2011, has produced over 1000 matches, but also all, except two, were 12-marker tests, and none had the name MYERS or MAIER or variant. A total of two 25-marker tests ("medium resolution") showed up as matches but, their names were Strassman and Baker. <br />
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Our closest match in all that time is an "almost-match." Although he didn't show up as an official match, I saw his results on <a href="http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/myers/results" target="_blank">The Myers DNA Project</a>, his test listed one line below our Myers test. The almost-match is a descendant of a Franz "DOLLENMAYER," born 1821, Wurttemberg, Germany. Unfortunately, the tester has 12 markers that don't match our Myers/ Maier 67-marker test. Twelve mismatches of markers is 5 too many to be considered a match by the testing company.<br />
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On the 1870 Tuscarawas, Stark County, Ohio census, seven years before his death, Jacob Maier states his exact place of birth was Wurttemberg, Germany, in about 1810. Same place as our almost-match, Dollenmayer.<br />
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Might "Dollenmayer" have been a longer name that was shortened to "Maier" at some distant point in history? Is it a fantasy to think of a Mr. Dollenmayer getting tired of writing such a long name? Is it a fantasy to imagine ever getting a match for our German lines? There <i>should</i> be male descendants of our German lines out there, but where are they?<br />
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On a
more positive note, our lack of results in the Y-testing has been
balanced by the exciting results of the Autosomal tests ("a-t" DNA).
Autosomal testing is a new way of searching for ancestors and is becoming very popular.<br />
The
Y-test tracks the Y-chromosome which is passed from father to son only. The Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)
test tracks the mother's line, from mother to
daughter (and from mother to son, but only for one generation), but the Autosomal test (atDNA) looks at all the chromosomes, on all
the lines, so a woman can take the test. Finally!<br />
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I
have tested, and cousin Barb has tested, at 23andMe, so we are having fun
seeing where we have DNA in common and seeing who it is who matches both
of us. <br />
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Since Barb and I are first cousins, how much DNA should we have in common?<br />
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<li>According to the mathematics of genetics, DNA divides approximately
in half with each generation. We get about 50% of our DNA from each of
our parents. We have about 50% DNA in common with our siblings. We have about
25% DNA in common with our grandfather, grandmother, aunt and uncle, as
well as our nieces and nephews. Think about that for a moment. 25% of
your DNA is the same as that of your grandmother or grand father. Your
grandchild or your niece or nephew carries about 25% of you.</li>
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So first cousins should have about, on average, 12.5% DNA in common. But Barb
and I have 14.7%!<br />
We are on the high end of the statistical range of
matching DNA for first cousins. My first very unscientific thought was
that the Gates genes were probably extra-dominant.<br />
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Comparing to others at 23andME, it is most exciting to see that Barb and I have at least 2 other women who match
both Barb and me on exactly the same segment of the x chromosome (the x
chromosome determines gender). And the two women also match each other.
That means that we all 4 have an ancestor in common. But one of the
women knows little about her ancestry and the other woman's tree shows
no obvious ancestors in common with the Gates lines. It's a challenge, at least, to find the connection. <br />
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And cousin Marilynn has tested at Ancestry.com and turned up as a match to me. They predict she is a
"3rd-4th" cousin match but actually she is a "second cousin, once
removed."<br />
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<li>The "removed" means we're cousins of different
generations. Marilynn's father, Carl Weiss, and A.J. Gates were first cousins (they were sons of siblings, Christina Barbara Goetz and John C.M. Goetz), so
Marilynn and my mother, Connie, were second cousins. I would be a third cousin to
Marilynn's daughter. So to Marilynn, I'm a second cousin, "once removed."</li>
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I can't tell how much, or on which chromosome, Marilynn and I match because Ancestry does not share that information. To compare her test to my test, Marilynn would have to transfer her results to Gedmatch.com, a volunteer-run website that crunches numbers all day for free. My results are already posted there, happily generating comparisons to possible cousins at all hours of the day or night. It's the only place that results from all three companies can be compared to each other.<br />
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NEW COUSIN</div>
Closer to the present, through Autosomal testing on FTDNA, I got a DNA match from a male second cousin with the
surname BUNKER. He is descended from Albert Gates and Alvina Knapp's daughter, Mary Jane Gates, who lived in Louisville, KY. (Albert was A.J. Gates' brother and Mary Jane was Connie, Fran, Gus, Bill and Pat's
first cousin.)<br />
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I recognized the name Bunker
immediately because I had seen Albert's death certificate and always
wondered who the informant "Mrs. Thomas Bunker" was. I should have guessed it was one of Albert's children. Our other most recent new Gates cousins from
Texas are also descendants of Albert, some from Mary Jane Gates Bunker and some from Mary Jane Gates' brother, Ned Gates, and sister, Ruth Gates Heath.<br />
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So our
latest Bunker cousin matches DNA of both my two brothers (who also have both tested) and me. He would probably match Barb also, but he tested at FTDNA, not 23andMe. I can see Mr. Bunker's results on FTDNA but I can also compare our results on Gedmatch.com and take advantage of their analysis tools because we both transferred our results. He is also my "second
cousin, once removed." <br />
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<li>Connie and Mary Jane were first cousins, in the same
generation. I'm the daughter of Connie but our new cousin is the GRANDSON of Mary
Jane. If he were Mary Jane's son, he would be my second
cousin, since children of first cousins are second cousins. New cousin
Bunker and my daughter would be full third cousins (with no "removed"), both being in the same
generation. </li>
<li>New cousin Bunker and Marilynn, both second cousins, once removed to me, are "second cousins, 2 times removed" to each other. I confess, I used my genealogy software to calculate that.</li>
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So, welcome new Bunker cousin! All the Gates cousins on this list are happy to know of you!<br />
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<span style="font-size: x-small;">Mary Jane Gates 1910-2002</span></div>
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The above photo is Mary Jane Gates, our new cousin Bunker's grandmother, in about 1925.<br />
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Doesn't she look just like we girls looked in the early 60's? I had that
exact hair style in 1959! On second thought, maybe I had that hair
style because it was my mother who was the one who arranged my hair that way,
teaching me to set the little curls by twisting the hair around her
finger and pinning it with bobby pins, like she and Mary Jane probably
did in 1925 or so. How times don't change.<br />
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Here are the captions that teen-ager Mary Jane wrote on the back of this photo. <br />
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"<i>Return in ? years to J M Gates 2114 Kenilworth, Louisville, KY.</i></div>
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<i>This brings pleasant memories. J M Gates.</i></div>
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<i>Henrietta Fallis. I have carried this picture since 9/12/25. Reward</i></div>
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<i>8/3/27 Given to my Dearest cousin, 'Connie' </i>"[Connie was 15 in 1927.]<br />
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I've had this picture in my collection for so long. Finally, I could share it with someone who it was connected to. Maybe I should add on the
back of it, "I've carried this photo since 1958."<br />
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Bonus photo: Mary Jane's friend, Henrietta Fallis, from Atherton High School, Louisville, KY, 1930</div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-78476155733331989202013-05-02T16:37:00.003-07:002013-11-15T20:33:36.857-08:00CHRISTOPH GOETZ, THE MAN WHO WENT TO WAR<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<i>Christoph Goetz, </i><i><i>1809-1857, </i>abt age 47, Nuremburg, Germany</i></div>
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This photo is a scan, of a xerox, of a photo of Christoph
Goetz (Gotz), born 1809, Nuremburg, Bavaria, Germany, who was the father of John Charles Marcus Gates (born Goetz). </div>
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John
Charles Marcus Gates was born in Nuremburg, Germany in 1845 and immigrated in 1864, age 19, ending up in Louisville, KY. He was father of 8 children, including A.J. Gates, Albert Gates and Mabel Gates.</div>
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The story from my Nana (A.J. Gates' wife) was that
Christoph Goetz told his wife, Anna Sibylla (Steffler) Goetz, that he was going to war
and might not be back. If this photo is Christoph, it must have been taken shortly before
he left. Not sure which war. There <i>was</i> a revolution in Germany in
1848. Not sure if this revolution continued up to 1857, the year of his death, in Nuremburg, or if he was injured and died later. With a uniform, one might think that he was in a German army, part of the government, that was trying to suppress the revolting 48-ers. Some detective work on the uniform might exactly date which army he was with.</div>
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In 1853, four years before his death and a few years after the revolution of 1848, considered by most to have failed, his oldest son, Lawrence, was sent to America, at age 14, where he worked on a farm in Indiana.</div>
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1854 was the last year we know Christoph was with his family, since he conceived his last child, a son, who was born Dec.1854 in Nuremburg.</div>
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Being that the father was going to war around the same time that the sons were leaving for America might lead one to suspect that they might have been removing their sons to avoid their having to join the German army when they reached the age of conscription. </div>
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Seven years after Christoph died, his second son, John Charles Marcus Goetz, immigrated to America in 1864, at age 19, to be followed by Christoph's third son, Christopher Lawrence, who immigrated, the following year, in 1865, at age 17. The rest of their family, two sisters, Christina Barbara Goetz and her husband George Weiss; Margaret Goetz and her husband George Fiedler, their mother, Anna Sibilla (Steffler) Goetz and youngest brother, William J.C., followed in 1867. </div>
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Who do you think he looks like? I think he looks like
my Uncle Gussy (My mother's brother, son of A.J. Gates). How appropriate that we now have another ancestor face to go with the newly-determined Gates DNA haplogroup of R1b1a2!<br />
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Thank you, cousins in Indiana, for sharing this image with us.<br />
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<b>Another photo below from our Indiana cousins.</b></div>
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This is John Charles Marcus Gates, wife Elizabeth (La Salle) and daughter Gertrude Gates Vogel at the grave of Christoph Goetz. Apparently
Christoph did come back from the war alive. Caption on
back says: "Our father's grave, Christoph Gotz, born Nov 17, 1809, died
Oct 30, 1857."<br />
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<i>From left: unidentified man (possibly John Charles Marcus Gates' German cousin, "Karl"?), John Charles Marcus Gates with the cane, Gertrude Gates
Vogel, his oldest daughter (Gertrude was A.J.'s, Mabel's and Albert's older sister) and
Elizabeth Lasalle Gates, his wife.</i><br />
<i><br /></i>This photo below is from Connie Gates Markle's collection. She thought
the man in the portrait frame might have been Christoph Goetz.<br />
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<i>From left: Albert Gates,
Elizabeth Gates, Mabel and Gertrude Gates (or Mabel and friend), John Charles
Marcus Gates, and Charles Gates, holding portrait of unknown ancestor, possibly
Christoph Goetz.</i><br />
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If only they had kept a diary, we might not have to wonder and guess what their reasons for their actions were. Yet, do any of us moderns consider keeping a diary to record the reasons surrounding our current life events?<br />
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Why not start today?<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-64959669979236030762011-05-28T22:56:00.000-07:002013-05-04T15:18:13.309-07:00SEARCHING WHERE THE LIGHT IS BETTER<div class="post-meta" style="text-align: center;">
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Searching for Charles Davis</h1>
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<b>28 May 2011</b></div>
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<span style="font-size: x-small;"><b><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Searching where the light is better</span></b></span></div>
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<b>A Pause in the Search</b></div>
The results of our newest William Davis DNA Project member has given
me pause, as they say. I’ve had to stop and rethink my strategy for
finding my Charles Davis. After getting lost in searching among the so
many Charles Davises (many in every state, every county, every year!),
I’ve had to think what exactly is the plan, otherwise I will just be
casting about, suddenly stopping every time I see the name Charles
Davis, whether he’s a farmer in Wisconsin or a miner in California.<br />
It doesn't matter that I'm supposed to be looking for a Charles Davis who is a resident of Missouri and who is visiting NYC in 1902; every
Charles Davis I see, no matter which state he’s in, I think might be
the one. I’ve even spent many a number of hours tracking a Davis line
because we (my daughter and I) think his photo looks like my father or
my brothers! (that’s called the Psychic strategy.)<br />
My worst thought is that I may have already found but disregarded him
because he was married to someone else or
because he seemed to have only 4 daughters. He could have been visiting New York City
whether he was a wood chopper or a railroad engineer. Just because he
“transferred his DNA” does not presume that he and my grandmother were
married or even that he lived nearby for any length of time. The
genealogist’s nightmare is the traveling salesman. What kind of records
could you expect to find for him?<br />
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<b>SEARCHING ANGST</b></div>
Sometimes the NOT finding can get to you and you want to find ANY
Charles Davis, just to be able to find one, just to remind yourself that
there was, indeed, a real live man, who lived somewhere! and whose DNA
he conveniently passed down to my father and my brother. (Thanks Gramp!
Is it ok to call you that?)<br />
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<b>STRATEGIES OR TRAGEDIES<br />
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In the beginning the strategy was to look for ANY Charles Davis, who
was on the known William Davis family tree, was born around 1870 (+ or –
5 years) and then track his line to find his living male descendants
and test them, seeing who they might match on the tree. That strategy
might be expanded to track his brothers’ or uncles’ descendants if he
had no living male descendants.<br />
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Then lately, I’ve been mapping ALL the known descendants of Rev.
William1 Davis, born 1663, Wales, thinking I could test representative lines looking for an exact DNA match. Mapping ALL the descendants takes the
point of view that the descendants are finite. <br />
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It might not be in Joshua5′s line at all. I had been guessing we stemmed from Joshua’s line because he was 6 generations back from my closest match. I was under the impression that if you matched exactly, your
ancestor in common would be within 3 or 4 generations and if you matched
1 step off, your ancestor in common might be within 5 or 6 generations.<br />
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Well, and here’s the pause part, our new Davis member is only one
step off from his closest match and their known ancestor in common on the
paper tree is 7 generations back! That means my brother’s match, who is
also one step off, might not lead to our ancestor in common for 7 or 8
generations! That’s all the way back to the grandsons of Rev. William1
Davis and possibly back to his original six sons. That certainly isn’t any
kind of short cut to finding my Charles Davis.<br />
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Luckily for me, one of our Davis members had an extra copy of Susie Davis Nicholsons’ book, <i>Davis-The Settlers of Salem, West Virginia</i>,
that he just sent to me in the mail. So I am obsessive-compulsively
going over her facts to see if there are any known Charles Davises that I have
missed and am searching the censuses to see if there are any Charles Davises the previous Davis researchers have missed. The idea is to find one and track his line forward to a living descendant to test.<br />
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<b>FOCUS!</b></div>
The hardest part of this hunt is to stay focused on searches that
will lead to accomplishing the goal of identifying the lines of the William Davis family that match my DNA pattern. So often I
find a great trove of information with lots of names and descendants but
then I realize that they are from lines that show results that are
furthest from my Davis DNA pattern.<br />
It’s like the story of the man who lost his keys
near the house but is searching for them near the lamp
post because the light was better there.<br />
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I must focus and remember that just because there’s more light does not mean it will help my particular search!<br />
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Hello my dear Gates cousins and interested visitors,<br />
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In honor of my mother's birthday (yesterday), I am sharing some genealogy news about our mother line.<br />
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Our maternal line from Nana/Grandmother, Frances Lenore Myers, has been mtDNA (mitochondrial) tested (thanks to a Christmas gift from Kendra) and it is: <br />
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Maternal Haplogroup: H7(Specifically H7a1, a subgroup of H7. )<br />
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H is associated with northern Europe and is the most common haplogroup in Europe. It is also referred to as "Helena." <span style="background-color: #ffff33;"></span> <br />
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The mtDNA test tracks the mitochondrial markers in a woman's DNA. This is the "umbilical" line, DNA which has been passed down identically in the mitochondria of each cell from mother, to daughter, to granddaughter, and on, in an unbroken line, for thousands of years!<br />
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When a mutation occurs in the mitochondrial DNA, which it does naturally, it is passed on to the next generation, creating a living record that tags those people carrying that DNA from then on. Scientists use this change in DNA, called a "marker," as a way of tracking where people lived at various times in history. All people with the same markers are categorized in groups called haplogroups.<br />
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This is deep ancestry, thousands of years ago. Brian Sykes in his book, 7 Daughters of Eve, tracks mitochondrial DNA back to 7 original women, who he calls "Ursula, Xenia, Helena, Velda, Tara, Katrine and Jasmine." These 7 lived from 20,000-45,000 years ago, the direct ancestors of all modern Europeans alive today!<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=212978" target="_blank"> Article on Brian Sykes and 7 Daughters of Eve</a><br />
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Of the 4 great-grandparents that we have in common, Gates/La Salle, Myers/Gorton, we know that the Goetz's came from Germany and La Salle we think was from Austria/Alsace Lorraine. The Myers/Maiers line was also probably from Germany. <br />
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Now, with this test, we learn that the fourth line, Nana/Grandmother's maternal line, although recently from Ohio, and before that, from the New Haven, CT, colony, was originally from northern Europe. <br />
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We could have guessed this since Nana/Grandmother's maternal great-grandmother, Emaline Hotchkiss, and Emaline's maternal ancestors, (the furthest back is Priscilla WHITSON) were all from the New Haven Colony in CT, whose settlers in 1638 were English. <br />
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If we follow the mother line, (the surname changes each generation because the daughter takes her husband's name), the names after Hotchkiss are all standard English names: 1GATES, 2 Frances MYERS, 3 Mary GORTON, 4 Frances ROBERTS, 5 Emaline HOTCHKISS 6 Hannah WOODING, 7 Hannah HOLBROOK, 8 Priscilla COLLINS, 9 Abigail THOMPSON, 10 Priscilla POWELL, 11 Priscilla WHITSON. (See chart below of the mother line from Connie Gates to Priscilla Whitson.)<br />
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The New Haven Colony was formed in 1638 by a group of Puritans who wanted a STRICTER religious governance than existed in Massachusetts Bay Colony! Priscilla Whitson either came from England or was already in Mass. Bay Colony when the New Haven colony formed. Their theocracy in New Haven, a government based entirely on religion, only lasted one generation. In 1664, they joined with the Connecticut Colony which was secularily-based and much more tolerant of other religions.</div>
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What is interesting is that this maternal line, which has been reproducing for 40,000 years or so, is in danger (in our family) of dying out. Since it is only passed from mother to daughter, only the daughters of Nana/Grandmother's daughters carry it. That would be Connie's and Fran's daughters. We know who we are! <br />
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Connie and Fran's 4 daughters have produced 5 daughters (and 4 sons) born since 1966, and none of these daughters have had any daughters of their own, only sons. True, there is still time and women are having children later in life these days, but it's looking like the Gates mother line may not survive in our family.<br />
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Of course our entire H line will not die out. If any of the sisters of any of our ancestors had daughters (like Mary Gorton's sister, Ella; Frances Lucinda Roberts' sisters, Mary Ann, Emma and Ellen; or Emaline Hotchkiss' 5 sisters...), then they would also carry the same H line down through their daughters.<br />
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So think on those things dear Gates cousins. Perhaps when Sharon goes to the LDS library this week she may find more on the origins of Priscilla Whitson, the furthest back we go on the maternal line. Priscilla Whitson was born about 1616, married Thomas Powell in 1637 and came to the New Haven, CT, Colony in 1638 when it was formed. But where was she from?<br />
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And for the Gates males who might be feeling left out, why don't we do a Y DNA test (cost is about $240), and we could all see where the Goetz line has traveled. Not only would we find out where our distant Goetz men originated, but we might find some other Gates relatives who match our DNA who we didn't suspect existed. All we need is one male, who carries the Gates name, to test.<br />
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The oldest one is usually the best one to test, since younger men may have already had a mutation, but younger ones will do. We could even chip in if the cost seemed high. 15 of us at $15 each would do it. Do we know any Gates men who might be interested in spitting in a vial to find out something about our ancestry? I have discovered my Davis paternal line by having my brother take the test so would love to give advice.<br />
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An interesting springtime project?<br />
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For those of you who want to read more, here's some info on the H haplogroup of Nana/Grandmother's maternal line from the 23 and Me website. Will let you know if I find any significant matches to my test. Maybe we have a H7 cousin out there?<br />
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Maternal Haplogroup:H7. H7 is a subgroup of H.<br />
The Mother of all Mothers (the <b>MoM</b>), our common maternal ancestor, lived in Africa about 175,000 years ago. <br />
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Chart below is Locations of haplogroup H circa 500 years ago, before the era of intercontinental travel.</div>
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H originated in the Near East and then expanded after the peak of the Ice Age into Europe, where it is the most prevalent haplogroup today. It is present in about half of the Scandinavian population and is also common along the continent's Atlantic coast.<br />
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<b>Haplogroup:</b> H, a subgroup of R0</div>
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<b>Age:</b> more than 40,000 years</div>
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<b>Region:</b> Europe, Near East, Central Asia</div>
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<b>Populations:</b> Basques, Scandinavians</div>
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<b>Highlight: </b> Mitochondrial DNA extracted from the remains of St. Luke belonged to haplogroup H. <span style="background-color: #ffff99;"></span></div>
Haplogroup H dominates in Europe, reaching peak concentrations along the Atlantic coast. It is also common in many parts of the Near East and Caucusus Mountains, where the haplogroup can reach levels of 50% in some populations. H originated about 40,000 years ago in the Near East, where favorable climate conditions allowed it to flourish. About 10,000 years later it spread westward all the way to the Atlantic coast and east into central Asia as far as the Altay Mountains.<br />
About 21,000 years ago an intensification of Ice Age conditions blanketed much of Eurasia with mile-thick glaciers and squeezed people into a handful of ice-free refuges in Iberia, Italy, the Balkans and the Caucasus. Several branches of haplogroup H arose during that time, and after the glaciers began receding about 15,000 years ago most of them played a prominent role in the repopulation of the continent.<br />
H1 and H3 expanded dramatically from the Iberian Peninsula, along the Atlantic coast and into central and northern Europe. Other branches, such as H5a and H13a1, expanded from the Near East into southern Europe. After a 1,000-year return to Ice Age conditions about 12,000 years ago, yet another migration carried haplogroup H4 from the Near East northward into Russia and eastern Europe.<br />
Haplogroup H achieved an even wider distribution later one with the spread of agriculture and the rise of organized military campaigns. It is now found throughout Europe and at lower levels in Asia, reaching as far south as Arabia and eastward to the western fringes of Siberia.<br />
<b>Royal Lines</b>Because it is so common in the general European population, haplogroup H also appears quite frequently in the continent's royal houses. Marie Antoinette, an Austrian Hapsburg who married into the French royal family, inherited the haplogroup from her maternal ancestors. So did Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, whose recorded genealogy traces his female line to Bavaria.<br />
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<b>Mother line from GATES to WHITSON</b></div>
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<b>Haplogroup H7a1 </b></div>
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(Click on chart twice to enlarge.) </div><div style="text-align: center;">Photos and text copyrighted </div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-21756261710515172192010-10-03T18:49:00.000-07:002011-02-20T20:56:21.014-08:00Photos of Ella Frances (Gorton) MacKenzieA third cousin of ours, Barb H., who is descended from Ella Frances (Gorton) MacKenzie, sent me these photos today.<br />
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They give a face, and a beautiful one, to the person we know as "Ella" and they settle a mystery about who is "the lady with the black hat." (See <a href="http://jansgeneablog.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-07-30T16%3A59%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7">blog entry from Jan 23, 2008</a>: "Who Are the People in These Photos?")<br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"><div style="text-align: center;"> <span style="font-size: 100%;">1. Ella</span><br />
<span style="font-size: 100%;"> 2. Ella, age 12</span><br />
<span style="font-size: 100%;"> 3. Ella with her grand dau, Kathryn [(Holland) Wiley]</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 100%;"> 4. " Great Grandmother Gorton,"- [caption written by Louise (Holland) Nellis, dau of Helen (MacKenzie) Holland, grdau of Ella (Gorton) MacKenzie,</span><span style="font-size: 100%;"> gt grdau of Lucinda Frances (Roberts) Gorton...]</span></div></div></div><span style="font-size: 100%;"><br />
</span><span style="font-size: 100%;">Ella was a lot younger, 11 years, than Mary Augusta, her sister and our great grandmother. Do you think she looks like anyone in our family?</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">If that last picture, #4, above, "lady with the black hat," is a photo of "Great Grandma Gorton," that would be Lucinda Frances (Roberts) Gorton, (see photo we have of her below). The black hat photo could be from her younger days and the rounder face one below could be from when she was older. What do you think?</span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><br />
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Also, </span><span style="font-size: 100%;">since this photo was handed down from the Roberts/Gorton line of the family, that means Barbara Hemerling, mother of Elizabeth (Meyers) Gates, is not a possible identity for this lady- wrong side of the family!</span><br />
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The only other woman the black hat lady could be is Emaline (Hotchkiss) Roberts, wife of John Roberts, MOTHER of Lucinda Frances Roberts. She was born in 1805 and died in 1890. If the "lady in the black hat" was Emaline, and the photo was taken around 1880, then Emaline would be about 75 years old. Does this lady look that age? It's either a woman who doesn't age (Emaline) or it must be, as the caption says, her daughter, Lucinda Frances (Roberts), Grandmother Gorton. Mystery solved, would you say?<br />
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"Great Grandmother Gorton," Lucinda Frances (Roberts) Gorton</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br />
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Lucinda Frances (Roberts) Gorton, aka: "Frances Lucinda"<br />
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Mary Augusta (Gorton) Myers: sister of Ella Frances.<br />
Mary A. and Ella were both daughters of Lucinda Frances (Roberts) Gorton above.<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">Thanks Barb H. for your sharing of the photos of Ella.</div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-5730408296794338092010-08-04T16:10:00.000-07:002010-08-04T19:05:48.631-07:00Letters From "Aunt Ella," Ella (Gorton) Mackenzie<div style="text-align: center;">Letters From "Aunt Ella," Ella (Gorton) Mackenzie to Connie Gates, 1940-1943<br /><br /></div>These are two letters from Ella (Gorton) Mackenzie to my mother, Connie (Gates) Markle, 1, shortly after Connie's marriage and 2, after birth of Connie's second son, Bill.<br /><br />Ella (Gorton) MacKenzie Ella calls herself "Aunt" Ella even though she wasn't really an aunt to Connie. She was aunt to Connie's mother--Frances Lenore (Myers) Gates, our grand-mother. Ella was Mary Augusta Gorton's (our great grandmother) younger sister, younger by 11 years.<br /><br />Ella married Eugene C. MacKenzie and lived in Lima, Ohio with her two Mackenzie children, Kathryn and Jim, growing up together with their Myers cousins, Harry, Bert, Bill, Frances (our grandmother) and Ralph, until the Myers family moved to Hartwell in 1906, when Frances was 19 and Ralph was 14.<br /><br />Since Mary, Frances' mother, had died in 1917, Ella perhaps felt that, as Mary's sister, she should take on the role of mother to Frances, and grandmother to Frances' children. Ella also shows a great closeness to her Holland grandchildren since their mother, Ella's daughter, Kathryn, died in 1931, at age 50.<br /><br />Eugene had died in 1921, age 65, almost 20 years before the first letter.<br /><br />The names in the letter: Kathryn, Fred, Eugene, Laddie (Rolla B.), and Louise are Kathryn's children, (Ella's grand-children). Kathryn, the younger, had two sons and had moved west.<br />By the second letter, the war has begun, and Louise is married to Jim who is in the army.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_joIvO6UQSGiMZmCJQE6B2OcBtb7DKfR8UOuE8iji5qxlyHQC1_YkdlE3nYrYLfe2WJAJwStVNXmdPk8FfDLNqLdEttubYo8dnAc0H1uZ80NjBU9vfLu1LTPL8-enC_OSXz3j1c97f5KY/s1600/Kathryn+and+Rolla+B.+Holland+abt+1927+Kathryn+and+her+Dad+copy.jpg"><img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 281px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_joIvO6UQSGiMZmCJQE6B2OcBtb7DKfR8UOuE8iji5qxlyHQC1_YkdlE3nYrYLfe2WJAJwStVNXmdPk8FfDLNqLdEttubYo8dnAc0H1uZ80NjBU9vfLu1LTPL8-enC_OSXz3j1c97f5KY/s400/Kathryn+and+Rolla+B.+Holland+abt+1927+Kathryn+and+her+Dad+copy.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5501696599417777378" border="0" /></a><br />"Pals." Kathryn Holland, the younger, Ella's grand-daughter, and her father, Rolla B. Holland, an oil man in Iola, Kansas, photo abt 1927.<br /><br />Below the images of the letters is the text. Ella says some quite beautiful things in these letters, and infers much, about marriage, widowhood and the war. Her family news illustrates the traditional way that letters held a family together. What a wonderful family of artists on the Roberts/Gorton side: painters, writers, poets, and musicians!<br /><br />[Click images to enlarge. See even larger images on <a style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);" href="http://www.janmarkle.com/genealogy/Letters_From_Aunt_Ella.html">Markle Gates Genealogy Site</a>]<br /><br />January 5, 1940<br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqDzfhFvOr8rpGE88tAs8ExFdNr8lG0tsRa8Ny8FQZH9UUZaBc-CNg49F3t27zaUPePsrbgJQ92JPdQ1BbCAhRODYqmIrA6EQYhb0kPZ50B64uedH0gREJB-q0NdMaw4PsuBRip6bcPn3k/s1600/LetterEllaToConnieWEB.pg.jpg"><img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 315px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqDzfhFvOr8rpGE88tAs8ExFdNr8lG0tsRa8Ny8FQZH9UUZaBc-CNg49F3t27zaUPePsrbgJQ92JPdQ1BbCAhRODYqmIrA6EQYhb0kPZ50B64uedH0gREJB-q0NdMaw4PsuBRip6bcPn3k/s400/LetterEllaToConnieWEB.pg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5501697073655325938" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuhgtAiTpe92gFNVnfeSM1FYGp06BdE__FecKSni87h_l0f_M5K7F3lzZVhQM6W0WfYDRr8FYH12eRTvXTNEhW1-Jj2a-3-X7p503CiBLFhQ6L9dpV8-8_WV8AiK62VHWQxuegkSdaoHJ7/s1600/LetterElla2WEB.jpg"><img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 317px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuhgtAiTpe92gFNVnfeSM1FYGp06BdE__FecKSni87h_l0f_M5K7F3lzZVhQM6W0WfYDRr8FYH12eRTvXTNEhW1-Jj2a-3-X7p503CiBLFhQ6L9dpV8-8_WV8AiK62VHWQxuegkSdaoHJ7/s400/LetterElla2WEB.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5501697287671281394" border="0" /></a><br /><br />Monday January 5, 1940<br /><br />Connie dear,<br /><br />It was indeed a great pleasure to hear from you again -- after such a long time -- and, while the news contained<br />in your letter was not altogether a surprise, I was happy to hear that news from you -- for somehow it brought<br />you nearer, for, as you already know you and all that concurred, you have been dear to me.<br /><br />Now that you have taken this step -- I can only say from the very depths of my heart that I wish you all the<br />happiness and success that can come to you and I congratulate the one who has won for himself the love of a<br />girl as dear and sweet as you. And I feel sure, despite the little "rift within the lute," your combined efforts to<br />make your wedded happiness and success will bear fruit and your home life the beautiful thing it was meant to be,<br />and so I say God bless you.<br /><br />The handkerchief you enclosed was certainly lovely. And I thank you.<br />My Christmas was a happy one, although as you know, there is always the vacant chair --but I have so many<br />blessings that I try not to let my feelings influence or mar others' happiness.<br /><br />One thing that always adds much to my pleasure is to hear from them all in Iola, a custom that has existed<br />for the eight years they have been away. Even Kathryn’s little boys were able to wish me "Merry Christmas"<br />in their little childish voices, which were so good to hear.<br />They are all well and Kathryn seems to be growing so much like Helen-devoted to her husband and family.<br /><br />Fred lives in Flora, Ill. At present, is doing well and they have a dear little girl about a year and a half old.<br />Eugene is in Boulder, Colo. University and Louise is at home- is a senior and next year expects to enter the same school.<br />She is a fine student- much interested in journalism and at present is editor of their school paper.<br />She has always spent her vacations with me, and we are very companionable and I love to have her.<br /><br />"Laddie" or Rolla B. is located in Sedan, Kan.<br />Uncle Jim and Frances are well and join with me in love.<br />And I hope sometime we will have the pleasure of seeing you both.<br /><br />And now, as I seem to have filled my letter with news of my own [life?], I hope I have not worried you.<br />Wishing this New Year may bring you success and great contentment. And with this little shot I will leave you-<br /><br />“Today well lived makes every [day?] a day of happiness and every tomorrow a dream of hope.”<br /><br />Write me again soon,<br />Loving you always, Aunt Ella<br /><br /><br />June 15, 1943<br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihphdjOD61efLriDVjcP_RgUhQYCQr7lwYYtDCbTpVMuKkj95bX9XxyoG7dSyFNSrAXVn_ZKZIrxYgFXMOEsPFoZ6VzOOla5BJbCg3Wsg3vnDuIamhp6xLYDLkowRW3L_Y-d5B2_kSYZlW/s1600/Letter1943WEB.jpg"><img style="cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 250px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihphdjOD61efLriDVjcP_RgUhQYCQr7lwYYtDCbTpVMuKkj95bX9XxyoG7dSyFNSrAXVn_ZKZIrxYgFXMOEsPFoZ6VzOOla5BJbCg3Wsg3vnDuIamhp6xLYDLkowRW3L_Y-d5B2_kSYZlW/s400/Letter1943WEB.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5501697506221543538" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8onvYjIQbbkRce25X2TXcGw6Bbxl4RuGsLEvOtmMyeiu301L9XnnKLw0coFW1rmETG7ZdDlP2RSt0Fld7pwJ1QARIgZNbUZSka4bFendERsCcZF9lWR-ImvdpOlWkD5BThUKgEnaig3YZ/s1600/Letter1943Page2WEB.jpg"><img style="cursor: pointer; width: 254px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8onvYjIQbbkRce25X2TXcGw6Bbxl4RuGsLEvOtmMyeiu301L9XnnKLw0coFW1rmETG7ZdDlP2RSt0Fld7pwJ1QARIgZNbUZSka4bFendERsCcZF9lWR-ImvdpOlWkD5BThUKgEnaig3YZ/s400/Letter1943Page2WEB.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5501697646575709810" border="0" /></a><br /><br />6.15-43<br />Connie dear:<br /><br />The news of the arrival of your little son was a pleasant one and I thank you for sending it.<br />From Emma I had learned such an event was expected but not at what time.<br />That you have proved how nobly you can go down into the valley of shadow and<br />give to the world another son shows what a lovely woman you are and fortunate are they who can call you Mother.<br /><br />Perhaps, you may have wished for a little girl, but to my way of thinking, two brothers growing up together,<br />sharing the same joys and childish troubles, is a most pleasant sight.<br />When Kathryn visited me two summers ago, it was so noticeable, for her two boys now eight and six,<br />were always together and happy in each other's company; and so to you and your husband,<br />my love and sincere congratulations.<br /><br />I am quite alone now, as Louise is near her husband, who is, and has been for some time,<br />stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C. , and she is in Fayetteville, only a few miles away.<br />They are pleasantly situated and Jim is able to be with her frequently.<br />And I might add, they are supremely happy- a great comfort to me.<br /><br />If your dear mother is with you, give her my love and remind her a letter from her would be very welcome.<br /><br />Again dear, my very deep love to you and yours -<br /><br />Always, Aunt EllaUnknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-42681710795540301402010-07-12T23:16:00.000-07:002010-08-04T19:16:42.985-07:00Jane (Eby) Gates<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Jane (Eby) Gates Page</span><br /><br /><div style="text-align: left;">It is Ryn's birthday today, Monday, July 12, 2010, (Happy Birthday Ryn!) and even though all the Gates family back East are fast asleep, we out in California are still thinking of it as the 12th. That being so, I thought today would be a good day to announce the completion of the <a href="http://www.janmarkle.com/genealogy/JaneEby.html">Jane (Eby) Gates page </a>on the Markle Gates Genealogy Site.<br /></div></div><br />Jane has quite an interesting family tree reaching back to Theodorus "Durst" Eby, a Mennonite bishop in Switzerland around 1690. Take a look at it!<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZFoulcRRsreYjRxAUgW-TIlCKEUaUHWijgp15W96aNpXbkH8XZVZEJNjRoC_VCiLV6z8oaqTMJhy3itbOcXh_o8O3Jf23yPekFU0GNqnTXj_rPgERg4N2GgNmd23-ssOSo_eXJPsiyBiE/s1600/JaneEbyGatesWWIIUniformCroppedforWEB2.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 304px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZFoulcRRsreYjRxAUgW-TIlCKEUaUHWijgp15W96aNpXbkH8XZVZEJNjRoC_VCiLV6z8oaqTMJhy3itbOcXh_o8O3Jf23yPekFU0GNqnTXj_rPgERg4N2GgNmd23-ssOSo_eXJPsiyBiE/s400/JaneEbyGatesWWIIUniformCroppedforWEB2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5493272067879266802" border="0" /></a><br />Jocelyn and I were trying to decipher what the different stripes on Jane's uniform stand for in the photo above. Jane enlisted in the military on 5 March 1943. She was in the Women's Army Corps, inactive reserve, as an aviation cadet. Does anyone else know exactly what the stripes mean?<br /><br />Also, I have posted a <a href="http://www.janmarkle.com/genealogy/Diary_Constance_Gates_Markle1941-1944.html">photo of Bill Gates</a>, (at the time, my mother's younger brother and future husband of Jane Eby) that my mother had in her diary (scroll down, click 2x to enlarge). He was at Purdue, in 1941, about age 20, but was in military training at the time, so he is in uniform.<br /><br />This was 4 years before he marries Jane in Caserta, Italy. Were they both stationed in Caserta and met there? Or did they meet earlier? These are questions for our Gates cousins: please post us some answers on the website so we can fill in the details of the story!<br /><br />We miss you Jane!Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-39549342148812656752010-05-02T09:48:00.000-07:002010-05-04T20:48:20.783-07:00The Goetz Story in Nuremberg, Germany<div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><span style=";font-family:";" ><o:p></o:p></span></b></span> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >May 2, 2010<o:p></o:p></span> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Hello my dear Gates cousins and interested visitors-<o:p></o:p><br /><br />We have traced the name GATES from Cincinnati, Ohio to Nuremberg, Germany and found the spelling of the name changed as it went back in time from GATES to GOETZ, to GÖTZ, to GÖZ. We have found that the name GOETZ, GÖTZ, and GÖZ are all pronounced “gets, as in Stan Getz, or “guts,” meaning pet form of “good” or “God” in German.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >But we have left out half of the family- the wives! Each wife is another character in our family story and she represents another family surname to study. Who were these wives and where did they come from?<br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >The only way to find these wives is by searching just a few church records listing marriages, births and deaths of four generations. Besides the names and dates, all we really know from these records is the town in which the birth, marriage or death occurred and the occupations of the fathers. </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Apparently, not much to build a riveting story upon but nonetheless, if you read on, you’ll find mystery, revolution, serendipity, discovery and surprise, all derived from just these plain facts. </span><br /><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >The quickest way to meet all the main characters in our Goetz story is to see their relationships on a chart. Below is a pedigree chart of John Charles Marcus GATES (at birth: “Johann Karl Markus GÖTZ”), our great grand-father. (family surnames are color-coded.)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; text-align: center;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7pDqm7U6RTOTfa2LoDF_hZkqoOCNrSQu0XsNd9T8BDyMdDq7P0fK_NC45BMRq9J2qY0BlRL5O1ZiOmwd2qRkpB1Gflsywydgb-0GqsahdLXbMXvTbcywX0y7GAYh3fmngpTzcDjm3sLf6/s1600/JCMGatesPedigreeForEmail.JPG"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 291px; height: 401px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7pDqm7U6RTOTfa2LoDF_hZkqoOCNrSQu0XsNd9T8BDyMdDq7P0fK_NC45BMRq9J2qY0BlRL5O1ZiOmwd2qRkpB1Gflsywydgb-0GqsahdLXbMXvTbcywX0y7GAYh3fmngpTzcDjm3sLf6/s400/JCMGatesPedigreeForEmail.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466736243439673762" border="0" /></a>(Click 2x on chart to enlarge)</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >On the chart you will see that we have three generations of paternal <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">GOETZ/GÖTZ</span> ancestors but only one generation of ancestors on the maternal <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% fuchsia;">STEFFLER</span> line. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >On the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">GÖTZ</span> side, we have three other surnames of the wives: <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">ORFF</span>, <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;">WEISSPOMCRAZ</span> (WEIßPOMCRAZ in German), and <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% red;">ZELTNER</span>, each representing other ancestral lines.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >The two recent <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">GÖTZ</span> men were filemakers, as was the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">ORFF</span> family, but the earlier <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">GÖTZ</span> men were blade sharpeners. The <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% red;">ZELTNER</span> and <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% fuchsia;">STEFFLER</span> men were spur-makers, and the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;">WEISSPOMCRAZ</span> was a trader. Except for the trader, their occupations were all involved with metal and perhaps even the trader, if he traded metals.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style="font-weight: bold;">THE GOETZ STORY in NUREMBERG, GERMANY</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >We’ve got the characters, so now we need the setting. We know the story takes place in Nuremberg, Germany. It seems that Nuremberg was fortuitously situated on both the east/west and the north/south European trade routes and so became a hub of prosperous trading. Thus, the old German proverb: "Nuremberg's hand goes through every land."<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Despite “the town had no vineyards nor was the Pegnitz a navigable stream and the soil was poor” (reasons given to King Frederick in 1219 when requesting his protection of the town), by the end of the fourteenth century, Nuremberg became the main European producer of metal ware due the abundant iron ore deposits of the Upper Palatinate, newly acquired territory at its northeastern edge.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQZQXOnsdTm7NpwtL8Y2sK1emnwJ57EmNt9DRm-FOWRxuAHnO2dPbyAyS-DqIkJwvzHRZx-s4KRWcU_1HMtM5pa1vQaPxOQYk-YKITIEBlc7J-teqhbwozUR5SwEg-N2jFkEGEdAHR_Ioq/s1600/Nuremberga1493nocopyrt.png"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 266px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQZQXOnsdTm7NpwtL8Y2sK1emnwJ57EmNt9DRm-FOWRxuAHnO2dPbyAyS-DqIkJwvzHRZx-s4KRWcU_1HMtM5pa1vQaPxOQYk-YKITIEBlc7J-teqhbwozUR5SwEg-N2jFkEGEdAHR_Ioq/s400/Nuremberga1493nocopyrt.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466730847706280466" border="0" /></a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; text-align: center;"><span style="font-style: italic;font-size:100%;" >Woodcut of Nuremberg from the <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Chronicle" title="Nuremberg Chronicle">Nuremberg Chronicle</a>, 1493 (-Wikipedia)</span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cliff-notes, condensed version of the Goetz story with colorized surnames</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >The oldest records show that the Johann <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">Orff</span> and Alexander <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% red;">Zeltner</span> families lived in Nuremberg to start with, around 1720. The <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">Orff</span>s were filemakers and the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% red;">Zeltner</span>s were spur makers, both metal workers. Might their families have been associated with each other because they were both metalworkers? The <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% red;">Zeltner</span> spur maker daughter, Margareta, marries the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">Off</span> file maker son, Christoph, in Nuremberg in1773 and they had an <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">Orff</span> daughter, Anna Barbara, who was waiting in Nuremberg for the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Götz</span> boy to come along.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Seven miles outside of Nuremberg, in Gerasmühle, the Nicolaus <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Göz</span> family men were blade sharpeners in the early 1700’s. The <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Göz</span> son, Heinrich, married Maria, the daughter of a Jacob <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;">Weisspomcraz</span>, a trader from Schweinau, a town two miles outside of Nuremberg, in 1762 and they had a <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Götz</span> son, Johann, who moved closer in to the center of Nuremberg. Johann became a file maker, perhaps working with the <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">Orff</span> file maker family. He marries the waiting Anna Barbara <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">Orff</span> file maker daughter in 1798. They had a <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Götz</span> son, Christoph, in 1809, who also became a file maker. This Christoph <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Götz</span> then married Anna Sibylla, a daughter of a Spur maker, Lorenz<span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% fuchsia;"> Steffler</span>, in 1838. It was this couple, Christoph <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Götz</span> and Anna Sibylla <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% fuchsia;">Steffler</span>, who lived through the years leading up to the revolution of 1848 and who had the 6 <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">Götz</span> children who all came to Angola, Indiana.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Now that you have a rough idea of the people in this Goetz clan, perhaps you’d be interested in following the more detailed story about the individuals, the action of the story.<br /></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >Generation Four: John C.M. Gates’ Parents<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" ><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style=""> </span>The <b style="">parents</b> of our great grandfather,<b style=""> </b>John C. M. GATES, were Christoph <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% aqua;">GOETZ (GÖTZ</span>), the “Feilenhauermeister” (master file maker) and Anna Sibylla <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% fuchsia;">STEFFLER</span>. They were married 13 Feb. 1838 at St. Jakob's church in Nuremberg, Germany.<br /></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWHcHIwYk8Z2kyM1g1oYZCAb1wAQbiNikDI0108zKeatB124XKBAIucpDqhSZoJGU27Km1tOg-HwmlVFsPSgRRxtnzgPzEQKEqyG1ZEsFfBD60vEZ2lNPKutUbGM8YqiMmI9S6etFe2Esx/s1600/StJakobs.png"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 281px; height: 375px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWHcHIwYk8Z2kyM1g1oYZCAb1wAQbiNikDI0108zKeatB124XKBAIucpDqhSZoJGU27Km1tOg-HwmlVFsPSgRRxtnzgPzEQKEqyG1ZEsFfBD60vEZ2lNPKutUbGM8YqiMmI9S6etFe2Esx/s400/StJakobs.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466731812515715570" border="0" /></a><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style="font-style: italic;">St. Jakob’s Church Nuremberg, Germany</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style=""> </span>Christoph died in Germany in 1857 but his wife and four sons, Lawrence, John C.M., Christopher, William and two daughters, Margaret and Christina Barbara, immigrated to Angola, Indiana between 1853 to1867.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >Generation Three: John C.M. Gates’ Maternal Grandparents</span></b></span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" > <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >The marriage record of Christoph GÖTZ and Anna Sibylla STEFFLER, lists Anna Sibylla as the "Tochter" (daughter) of the "Spornmeisters" (master spur makers) Lorenz STEFFLER and Anna Margaretha.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Lorenz STEFFLER was the grandfather who brought the first of the GÖTZ family, Lawrence GATES (John C.M. GATES' older brother) to Angola, Indiana in 1853, dropped him off and then left him there at age 14, presumably with friends. On the 1860 Angola, Indiana census, Lawrence, age 21, is living with the Ebenezer JOHNSON family and is listed as a farm laborer.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >Why Angola?</span></b></span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" ><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >This remains a mystery. Was Angola a town that was populated with many Germans? Did the GÖTZ family have a friend there that would apprentice their son? And why that particular age? Was the GÖTZ family trying to avoid some required German military training since the boys immigrated at ages 14, 19 and 17 in 1853, 1864 and 1865?<br /><br />Perhaps the GÖTZ family might have been one of the many skilled and educated German families who gave up on Germany after the failed revolution of 1848. "Forty-eighters" they were called- they were the thousands who streamed to America in hopes of a country "freer" than their own after the revolution that "never happened." Was this the "war" that our family oral history referred to?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><i style="">“Disappointed at the failure of the revolution to bring about the reform of the system of government in Germany or the Austrian Empire, and sometimes on the government's wanted list because of their involvement in the revolution, they gave up their old lives to try again abroad.”-Wikipedia<o:p></o:p></i></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br />Could the “wanted list” of the authorities be the part of our family legend that hinted at our ancestors “escaping from the government?”<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >So many Germans came to the US after 1848 that certain U.S. cities had whole sections that completely replicated German life. Cincinnati, Ohio, where John C.M. Gates lived and Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where John C.M.’s younger brother, Christopher Gates, first lived, were two such cities.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; text-align: justify; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><i style="">More than 30,000 Forty-Eighters settled in the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio … many German Forty-Eighters settled in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, helping solidify that city's progressive political bent and cultural <span style="">Deutschtum</span>. The <span style="">Acht-und-vierzigers</span> [“eight and forty”] and their descendants contributed to the development of that city's long Socialist political tradition.-Wikipedia<o:p></o:p></i></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" > <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLmx528uy7wpF3NKNdpNIXXAFkJrP-V5eeahl_1rFgwTxNxwtqdiRuV3C8Wg_Vb80VrWqUjtVOiDcG5kto0GotaDXZ3ZxXMvAAg1q1Aci8IIbYipQQt8YZBHaeYk5puI3-Rx2zk209qVOI/s1600/Angola-indianaMonumentCivilWar.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 250px; height: 109px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLmx528uy7wpF3NKNdpNIXXAFkJrP-V5eeahl_1rFgwTxNxwtqdiRuV3C8Wg_Vb80VrWqUjtVOiDcG5kto0GotaDXZ3ZxXMvAAg1q1Aci8IIbYipQQt8YZBHaeYk5puI3-Rx2zk209qVOI/s400/Angola-indianaMonumentCivilWar.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466731586161891202" border="0" /></a><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><!--[endif]--><span style="font-style: italic;">Angola, Pleasant Township, Steuben County, Indiana</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >After their father, Christoph, died in 1857, John C.M. GÖTZ came to the U.S. in 1864, at age 19, and his younger brother, Christopher came a year later in 1865, at age 17, both changing their name from </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >GOETZ/</span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >GÖTZ to GATES. It would be another 10 years before Christoph's widow, Anna Sibylla GÖTZ, would come with her two married daughters, Margaret and Christina Barbara and their husbands, Herman FIEDLER and Georg Leonard WEISS, and Anna's youngest son, William, age 12, to join their brothers in the same town of Angola, Indiana, in 1867.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Many educated Germans arrived in the U.S. only to discover they couldn’t find any work.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><i style="">“…men who were at home in every branch of learning were forced to support themselves…by making cigars, acting as waiters or house-servants, boot-blacks or street-sweepers…” -Carl Wittke, <span style="">Refugees of Revolution: The German Forty-Eighters in America</span>, Philadelphia: Univ. of Penn. Press, 1952, <a href="http://www.archive.org/">www.archive.org</a></i></span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Our Gates men were lucky. John C.M. worked first as a clerk, then as a distillery salesman in Cincinnati, Ohio and Christopher became a civil engineer in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Toledo, Ohio. Their oldest brother Lawrence served in the Civil War and then worked in dry goods, then banking and fire insurance in Angola, Indiana and their youngest brother, William, eventually became a tailor, also in Angola. <span style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >Generation Three: John C.M. Gates’ Paternal Grandparents<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" ><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >John C.M. GATES' paternal grandparents were Johann Wolfgang GÖTZ, a Feilenhauer (file maker), and Anna Barbara <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% lime;">ORFF</span>. Johann and Anna Barbara were married at the St. Lorenz church in Nuremberg, Germany in 1798.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br /></span><span style="font-size:100%;"> </span><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shape id="_x0000_i1029" type="#_x0000_t75" style="'width:150pt;height:224.25pt'"> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\Jan\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.jpg" title="st_lorenz_lge-copyWEB2"> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9UaZ_IdmwnOqwV2JiJXGK73LpevtGzUI0uUbkwtO1LROzPmfjXj7FMx1nbZh2b8qcTYus0XcqF1iyUgEQWVj_9NsVemlzJoWo5YJGFfrQwUes8n0yXuuYwjNztfzb5bRVWlGoBhuS5tZg/s1600/st_lorenz_lge+copy.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 200px; height: 299px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9UaZ_IdmwnOqwV2JiJXGK73LpevtGzUI0uUbkwtO1LROzPmfjXj7FMx1nbZh2b8qcTYus0XcqF1iyUgEQWVj_9NsVemlzJoWo5YJGFfrQwUes8n0yXuuYwjNztfzb5bRVWlGoBhuS5tZg/s400/st_lorenz_lge+copy.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466732227806506946" border="0" /></a><span style="font-style: italic;font-size:100%;" >St. Lorenz Church, Nuremberg, Germany</span><!--[endif]--><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" > <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Johann Wolfgang GÖTZ was from a different part of Nuremberg known as <b>Gerasmühle,</b> about 7.5 miles southwest of the center of Nuremberg. Johann Wolfgang GÖTZ and Anna Barbara ORFF had nine children, born between 1799 and1811, including one set of twins. Christoph, John C.M. GATES' father, was the 8th child of that family.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br />According to records from the St. Lorenz and St. Jakob’s Churches in Nuremberg, Christoph </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >GÖTZ </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >' 8 siblings were: Johann Benedikt, Margareta Barbara, Conrad Christoph, Johann Georg, Maria Barbara, Heinrich and Ursula Margareta (twins), and Conrad Wolfgang.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Church records show that <b style="">three of these GÖTZ siblings married</b>: Conrad Wolfgang Götz married a Maria Sabina BAYERLEIN in 1846. Johann Georg Götz married a Christina Barbara BACKRASS in 1832.<b style=""><o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >Here’s the Serendipity…<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >And in 1823,</span></b></span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" > <b style="">Margareta Barbara Götz married a Johann</b> <b>MERKEL!</b> <span style=""> </span>(Small world!) Any of these married siblings might have living descendants who would be our German cousins, maybe even living right now in Nuremberg!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br /><b style="">Generation Two: John C.M. Gates’ great grandparents<o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><span style=";font-family:";" ><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >John C.M. GATES’ great grandfather (father of Johann Wolfgang GÖTZ) was Heinrich GÖZ, a “Klingenschleifermeister,” (master blade sharpener) from Gerasmühle. Note the name GÖTZ was then spelled GÖZ. Heinrich GÖZ’s wife was Maria Magdalena <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;">WEISSPOMCRAZ</span>. They married in 1762 at St. Leonhard’s Church.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglZVdRA1XOGgPJQDYAYem0ti0sjrAzELTUiEnxQ5Q2FXBcTWIsJTP8dPHkohk1Avr_NJQBXLgcc3BAMbX3s3uHHAGPxeENV6y5pLGZDhlozY3zhYkj9h297pT5ee5ybVi2voFCL5o5ynAl/s1600/StLeonardChurch-copyWEB.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 250px; height: 188px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglZVdRA1XOGgPJQDYAYem0ti0sjrAzELTUiEnxQ5Q2FXBcTWIsJTP8dPHkohk1Avr_NJQBXLgcc3BAMbX3s3uHHAGPxeENV6y5pLGZDhlozY3zhYkj9h297pT5ee5ybVi2voFCL5o5ynAl/s400/StLeonardChurch-copyWEB.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466732930235205154" border="0" /></a><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><!--[endif]--><span style="font-style: italic;">St. Leonhard Church, Schweinau, Germany </span><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >John C.M. GATES’ other set of known great grandparents (Anna Barbara ORFF’s parents) were: Christoph ORFF, a “feilenhauermeister,” and Margareta Barbara <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% red;">ZELTNER</span>. They were married in St. Lorenz Church in 1773, three years before the Declaration of Independence was signed in Philadelphia, PA. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br /><b style="">Generation One: John C.M. Gates’ great, great grandparents<o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br />From Heinrich GÖZ and Maria Magdalena WEISSPOMCRAZ's marriage record we learn that Heinrich was the son of Nicolaus GÖZ, a “Klingenschleifermeister,” master blade sharpener, from Gerasmühle. We also learn that Maria Magdalena WEISSPOMCRAZ was the daughter of Jacop WEISSPOMCRAZ, a "handelsmann" (trader) from Schweinau, a town 2 miles outside the center of Nuremberg.<br /><br />From Christoph ORFF and Margareta Barbara ZELTNER's marriage record, we learn that Christoph Orff’s parents were Johann ORFF, from Nuremberg and Margareta Barbara.<br /><br />We also find that Margareta Barbara ZELTNER's father was Alexander ZELTNER, of Nuremberg, and her mother was Barbara. A lot of Barbara’s. Notice how the names Christoph, Johann, Lorenz, Anna, Margaret and Barbara repeat through the generations? Alexander ZELTNER is listed on their marriage record as a “Spornmeister” or master spur-maker. This is as far back that our GOETZ German ancestors go. They would be our great, great, great, great, great, grandparents!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br />ZELTNER seems to be a prominent name in Nuremberg. Not sure if any of these Zeltners are related or not, but in 1877 in Nuremberg, a Johannes ZELTNER was awarded a patent for producing synthetic ultramarine red. In 1716, in Nuremberg, Johann Conrad ZELTNER published the biographies of 100 proofreaders. And in 1722, in Nuremberg, Gustav Georg ZELTNER, a Protestant theologian, published books on M. Luther and was a Christian scholar on Hebrew literature. Anyone want to do some research and see if these ZELTNERs are related to our Alexander?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" ><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p> <div style="text-align: center;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><b style=""><span style=";font-family:";" >Is there anything to discover from all this history?<o:p></o:p></span></b></span><br /></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >If you’re wondering how knowing about all these events from the past might change who you think you are, well, you might be surprised by this:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >The family story handed down to me about our Goetz history was that our “stern great grandfather” (John C.M. Gates) was the driving force of our family’s Catholic orientation and that he had left Germany because of religious persecution.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7HkeqU25DtazaW4_HciYsP01yQsOeZSF0GDSInu7FE13sCvcWMw-b3GsD6z3JV7tMOsYB29KzDRypz0W-s-ZVTcVGCH6f_BV8BwaNF_Jkhp9SpycBtQoFWJAhZmbIMfKkloggUe6VL0XO/s1600/John+Charles+Marcus+Goetz+copyForEMail.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 289px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7HkeqU25DtazaW4_HciYsP01yQsOeZSF0GDSInu7FE13sCvcWMw-b3GsD6z3JV7tMOsYB29KzDRypz0W-s-ZVTcVGCH6f_BV8BwaNF_Jkhp9SpycBtQoFWJAhZmbIMfKkloggUe6VL0XO/s400/John+Charles+Marcus+Goetz+copyForEMail.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466733244952082018" border="0" /></a><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style="font-style: italic;">John Charles Marcus Gates</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Yet this history of religious persecution does not seem fit the facts of our family history. Here’s why:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style="margin-top: 0in;" start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Anna Sibylla Gates, John Charles Marcus Gates’ mother, lived in Angola, Indiana until she died on April 29, 1898, at age 83. Her Angola obituary says "...she was a member of the <b style="">German Lutheran church since early childhood</b>..." and her funeral was in an Angola <b style="">Methodist Church</b>. Her birth certificate says she was baptized “according to the <b style="">Evangelical-Lutheran</b> rites.”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ol style="margin-top: 0in;" start="2" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Although originally Catholic churches, <b style="">St. Lorenz and St. Jakob,</b> the churches in Nuremberg where John C.M. Gates’ parents, Anna Sibylla and Christoph GÖTZ, were baptized, married and where their children were baptized (and the same the churches in which the earlier generations of GÖTZ, ORFF, WEISSPOMCRAZ and ZELTNER families were baptized, married and buried), <b style="">these churches were</b> <b style="">Protestant since the time of the Reformation, about 1517!<o:p></o:p></b></span></li></ol> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXPJFZuoB_WiVy2nen4qzXlI4oGk0YEzjOz7A7g8XNLvfMhPApRLeFh-ebfEv2klvPgu8gTI8OHCZOAqjU5TO3aBnpjwFHPEz4N2xnBl9euxS_jUkSueVpeq2t7WDutEZ9tIXxVpyGt8Q0/s1600/Map21.01+Braun+-+Nuremberg+-+1575.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 264px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXPJFZuoB_WiVy2nen4qzXlI4oGk0YEzjOz7A7g8XNLvfMhPApRLeFh-ebfEv2klvPgu8gTI8OHCZOAqjU5TO3aBnpjwFHPEz4N2xnBl9euxS_jUkSueVpeq2t7WDutEZ9tIXxVpyGt8Q0/s400/Map21.01+Braun+-+Nuremberg+-+1575.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466730332523040402" border="0" /></a><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><!--[endif]--><span style=""> </span><span style="font-style: italic;">Nurnberg, 1575</span><b style=""><o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >These facts give us good reason to believe that John Charles Marcus GATES <b>was Protestant by birth </b>and <b>converted to Catholicism </b>probably when he married Elizabeth LaSalle Meyers, our great grandmother, in 1870, only a short 6 years after he arrived in the US. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Elizabeth LaSalle Gates was always referred to as a "strong Catholic" by her daughter-in-law, Frances Lenore (Myers) Gates and, in her photographs, Elizabeth is often seen wearing a large cross on a necklace. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br />Did Elizabeth’s Catholicism come from her parents? Although Elizabeth’s father, Ernest Robert LaSalle, was from France, Elizabeth’s mother, Barbara Hemerling, was from Wurttemberg, Germany and Elizabeth's adopted father, Andrew Meyers, was from Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. Were these areas where Catholics were dissatisfied with minority treatment in Protestant Germany and wanted to emigrate? More research into the history of Catholics in Germany is clearly necessary!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><span style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >All of our upbringings have always had a strong Catholic theme, passed down from our parents, passed down from their father, Augustus J. Gates, who was Elizabeth's seventh child. Does it surprise you to consider that all our family's Catholicism derived from <b style="">Elizabeth LaSalle</b> instead of from her husband, John C.M. Gates? Doesn’t THAT change the way you see yourself? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv2kTIPiPCINoZJDFh2hsEq8oqhY52dW3YyRKw0FmnReRowmxQrKL5LjzYeOez6JHYxUu-9_xbTqBsg6KcpOAOfSLexnRKBQ6-wkgB9qXGRvyn8w02bypNU-nII_7UcBkYBBLY3r4DjP_p/s1600/ElizabethLaSalleGates+copyforemail.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 289px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv2kTIPiPCINoZJDFh2hsEq8oqhY52dW3YyRKw0FmnReRowmxQrKL5LjzYeOez6JHYxUu-9_xbTqBsg6KcpOAOfSLexnRKBQ6-wkgB9qXGRvyn8w02bypNU-nII_7UcBkYBBLY3r4DjP_p/s400/ElizabethLaSalleGates+copyforemail.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5466733553493227362" border="0" /></a><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><!--[endif]--><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">Elizabeth LaSalle Meyers Gates</span></span><br /><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br /></span></p><div style="text-align: left;">by Jan R. Markle<br /></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><br /><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><br /><span style=""> </span><br /></span> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-47811832778122042542010-02-28T15:34:00.000-08:002010-04-16T18:43:39.069-07:00Lost Goetz family found! Photo below<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >28 Feb. 2010<o:p></o:p><br />Hello my dear Gates cousins-<br /><br />I can only match the depth of my apology for not posting sooner with the momentousness of the latest discovery I have to share with you!<br /><br />Perhaps it's because we just recently lost Aunt Jane and before her, Aunt Fran and Aunt Kitty, but I got searching our Gates line again. And what did I find? Someone searching for us!<br /></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >I just happened to notice someone online looking for "her relative," named "John Carl Marcus Gates" and that seemed close enough to AJ Gates’ father, <span style="font-weight: bold;">John Charles Marcus Gates</span>, to be the same man.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >What did we already know about John Charles Marcus Gates besides he came from Nuremberg, Germany and the family name was Anglicized from Goetz to Gates?</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >In the early 70’s, Nana had told me John C. M. Gates had brothers named Christopher (an engineer who gave Gramp one of his first jobs in Cuba) and Leo. Nana identified Leo’s sons, (Gramp’s cousins) as "Fred, Harry and Lou" who married "Sue, Marie and Clara." <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >I had found Christopher because I remember my mother saying he lived in Toledo, Ohio but to try and find the other brother, "Leo," I had to look up all families that had siblings Fred, Harry and Lou Gates and try to find ones who married Sue, Marie and Clara. There was only one family with sons of that name but the father was Lawrence, not Leo! And he was in Indiana, not Ohio. But his sons <i>were </i>named Fred, Harry and Lou and they <i>had </i>married a Sue, Marie and Clara. Marie’s last name was Beery and I remember our family always saying that Wallace Beery (old-time famous actor) was our “23<sup>rd</sup> cousin," so this HAD to be the right family.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >After comparing notes with my new-found researcher, Marilynn Marshall, I found out that John Charles Marcus Gates was actually <b>"Johan Carl Markus Goetz"</b> at birth (Sharon, you were right about his name being "Johan" on his immigration record!). He not only had the 2 brothers, Christopher and </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Lawrence, </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" > that I suspected he had, but he also had another brother, William, and 2 sisters, Margaret and Christina! No one ever mentioned sisters to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >They were all living from about 1860 into the 1900's in the village of Angola, Pleasant township, Steuben County, Indiana while John C.M. Gates and his wife Elizabeth LaSalle were busy raising their 6 sons (including our A.J. Gates) and 2 daughters in Hartwell, near Cincinnati, Ohio.<br /><br />Marilynn, who is our second cousin once removed, was searching for our John Charles (or Carl) Marcus Gates because she is the grand-daughter of John's sister, Christina Barbara Gates. Well, of course, the one question I wanted to ask her was: what were the names of John C.M.'s parents?<span style=""> </span><o:p></o:p><br /><br />Aunt Bobbie, aka "Aunt Gertie" (Gertrude Gates Vogel), had written on John C.M.'s 1932 death certificate, "Karl and Christine" as John’s parents but John himself had listed on his 1922 passport application that his father was named "Christopher."</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Marilyn straightened me out. John's parents' names were "<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">Christoph Goetz</span>" and "<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">Anna Sibylla Steffler.</span>" And why do I believe her? Because she got the records from the Archive in Nuremberg, Germany!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><i><span style=";font-family:";" >Names recorded in the Landeskirchliches Archiv, Nuremberg, GY, Nov. 9, 1990, as children of Christoph Götz, and Anna Sibylla Steffler are:<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><i><span style=";font-family:";" >"Lorenz": April 25, 1839</span></i></b><b><span style=";font-family:";" > (Lawrence)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><i><span style=";font-family:";" >"Anna Margaretha Carolina"</span></i></b><b><span style=";font-family:";" >: March 1, 1841 (Margaret)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><i><span style=";font-family:";" >"Christiane Barbara":</span></i></b><b><span style=";font-family:";" > Dec. 18, 1842 (Christina)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><i><span style=";font-family:";" >"Johann Karl Markus"</span></i></b><b><span style=";font-family:";" >: June 28, 1845 (John)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><span style=";font-family:";" >"<i>Lorenz Christoph"</i>: June 13, 1848 (Christopher)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><i><span style=";font-family:";" >"Johann Wilhelm Christoph"</span></i></b><b><span style=";font-family:";" >: Dec. 18, 1854 (William)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >And if you still wondering, perhaps this will convince you.</span></p><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size:100%;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3xmul-cgUnU9eMsJJ8tV2VSpcRJFmKQf1AMqDBU0soOD2oo8kgDUfZkY0m-FIlFoESoDdjc57uWE_lRDSJs6fYf_UHhlfmPDxXtst_R2BH2w3-xWalTuhIdBk4knqqU3MCVcm1OMMCpDh/s1600-h/GoetzSiblingCropped+copy.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3xmul-cgUnU9eMsJJ8tV2VSpcRJFmKQf1AMqDBU0soOD2oo8kgDUfZkY0m-FIlFoESoDdjc57uWE_lRDSJs6fYf_UHhlfmPDxXtst_R2BH2w3-xWalTuhIdBk4knqqU3MCVcm1OMMCpDh/s400/GoetzSiblingCropped+copy.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443497118693569474" border="0" /></a></span><span style="font-size:100%;"><b><span style=";font-family:";" >The Goetz Family, photo taken May 2, 1898<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >L to R, front row: Margaret, Lawrence, Christina, L to R, back row: William, <b style="">John</b>, Christopher</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Here is an excerpt from an article in an Angola, Steuben County, Indiana, newspaper, dated </span><span style=";font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Jan. 26, 1913:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size:100%;"><i><span style=";font-family:";" >"At the residence of Mr. And Mrs. Lawrence Gates there was quite a reunion of the Gates family the past week. John of Cincinnati and Christopher of Toledo came Saturday afternoon and met their brothers Lawrence and William and sisters Margaret Fiedler and Christina Weiss and enjoyed a most pleasant visit and grand dinner. The immediate younger members of these families were with them on Sunday and all hope that many more such meetings may be had in the future. John and Christopher returned to their homes on Monday morning."<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:";font-size:100%;" >Lawrence had immigrated from Nuremberg in 1853 when he was 14, John came over in 1864, when he was 19, Christopher came over in 1865, when he was 17, and William C., and his two sisters, ages 12, 25 and 26 came over with their mother in 1867 after their father, Christoph Goetz , died in 1857.<br /><br />The story handed down to me was that there was a war in Germany and John C.M.’s father was killed in the war, but that is not the story that Marilynn's grandmother, Christina Barbara told her, after having lived 25 years in Germany before coming over. It may take a bit of research to find out which social events going on in Germany at that time were being referred to as a "war" by our Gates historians.<br /><br />Christopher, the patriarch, was a <i>Feilenhauermeister,</i> "master filemaker." Can you feel that word stir your German roots? The Archives in Nuremberg go back 3 more generations past <i style="">Christoph</i> to <i style="">Johann Wolfgang Goz,</i> then to <i style="">Heinrich Goz</i> and then to <i style="">Nicolaus Goz.</i> You can see a chart of them and their wives by going to the surname database at<i> <a href="http://www.janmarkle.com/genealogy/surnames.html"><span style="color:blue;">Jan's Genealogy Site.</span></a> </i><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:";font-size:100%;" >I have many more surprising discoveries to share about our Goetz family and I will bring another story to you next week. I only wish that our departed Gates family members might be able to share this joy of discovering our lost family!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:";font-size:100%;" ></span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:";font-size:100%;" ><o:p></o:p></span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-49661396797636610442008-09-18T17:16:00.000-07:002011-03-11T18:47:36.654-08:00Benjamin Gorton and Daughters of American Revolution, 2008<span style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: 85%;"><span style="font-family: trebuchet ms; font-size: 100%;">18 Sept, 2008 </span><o:p></o:p></span><br />
<div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-western" style="font-family: verdana;"><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">Well, hello my dear Markle and Gates family (and extended family) members and interested visitors-<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">It is with great pride that I can announce to you that, based on our Patriot ancestor, Capt. Benjamin Gorton, our family line has been accepted into the Daughters of the American Revolution!<br />
</span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">This means that the records tracing our line from me, to my grandmother, Frances Lenore Myers to Mary Augusta Gorton, to William Benjamin Gorton, to Benjamin Burroughs Gorton, to John Gorton and finally to Capt. Benjamin Gorton will be housed in the D.A.R. library in Washington, D.C. for perpetuity.<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhM1E32rCYiIe1QOGGAjahzAPfI7YO73Hvfz8Sfmgbd0rHifyD2tgd_v2D24pi84_6iMSCDT8VgEOXWfnq8cdnVkIHQQTtHbqSBK2nk5vl1sEgPKbhQh9aadP50R8xwkmkRFLDX3wTpCRGV/s1600-h/apr+2008+DAR+Leif+paintings+alviso+SF+house+053.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5247529086743583746" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhM1E32rCYiIe1QOGGAjahzAPfI7YO73Hvfz8Sfmgbd0rHifyD2tgd_v2D24pi84_6iMSCDT8VgEOXWfnq8cdnVkIHQQTtHbqSBK2nk5vl1sEgPKbhQh9aadP50R8xwkmkRFLDX3wTpCRGV/s400/apr+2008+DAR+Leif+paintings+alviso+SF+house+053.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /></a> [Photo 1: </span><span style="font-size: 85%;">2008 D.A.R. Pin.]<br />
</span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">In this world, I’m not too sure what “perpetuity” means, but assuming libraries continue to exist, our grandchildren and great-grandchildren and great great-grandchildren will always be able to trace their Gorton family line back to our Patriot.<br />
</span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">"Captain" Benjamin Gorton, 1725-1814, born in Massachusetts, and served in Rhode Island, was in the military during the years from 1762-1792.See his bio on the family tree website that I finally have up and running.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">Check it out and tell me what you think: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.janmarkle.com/Benjamin%20Gorton.html">http://www.janmarkle.com/Benjamin Gorton.html</a></span></div><span style="font-size: 85%;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixcfnZlOkX5sTVgDefEfEAXCbDZPcuf470kM0ZoDd1VdqTkwfFts_MLniHJR9eqCisSLpacHRmsGycWddNSMZQfLhC_Mn4V48x5fNJbvDx-N5R90SnYsVbU9_euU-Q-ZB165DIcYwGM511/s1600-h/DAR+pins+132.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5247529402016103362" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixcfnZlOkX5sTVgDefEfEAXCbDZPcuf470kM0ZoDd1VdqTkwfFts_MLniHJR9eqCisSLpacHRmsGycWddNSMZQfLhC_Mn4V48x5fNJbvDx-N5R90SnYsVbU9_euU-Q-ZB165DIcYwGM511/s400/DAR+pins+132.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /></a><br />
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">[</span><span style="font-size: 85%;">Photo2: antique D.A.R. pin from eBay</span><span style="font-size: 85%;">.]</span></div><span style="font-size: 85%;">In 1952, a previous applicant from Woonsocket, Rhode Island, had done the hardest part of the research which is proving that our ancestor actually served in some capacity during the American Revolution. "...Any woman is eligible for membership...who is lineally descended from a man or woman who, with unfailing loyalty to the cause of American Independence, served as a sailor, or as a soldier or civil officer...or as a recognized patriot, or rendered material aid thereto..."</span> <br />
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">It's very difficult to find facts from 1775 and when you do find a fact, often there are several men with the same name and you have to somehow distinguish between them! D.A.R. accepted a family history book listing the first four generations (Adelos Gorton's book, Life and Times of Samuel Gorton, 1907) but I still had to provide copies of the births, marriages and deaths of :<br />
Mary Augusta Gorton,<br />
Frances Lenore Myers,<br />
my parents,<br />
the birth, marriages (and divorces!) of me,<br />
the births (and death) of my husbands<br />
and the births of my children.<br />
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Not so easy a task, if you start to think about it. Do you know where your birth certificate is?<br />
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But it was a a fun challenge. The hardest document to find was Mary Augusta Gorton's death because I didn't know when she died or where she died. To find a record you need a name, a place and a date. All I had was her name, Ohio (possibly Lima, Ohio) and "died about age 63." There were many Mary A. Myers, in many places in Ohio in many years! I finally had to write to the Woodlawn Cemetery in Lima, Ohio, guessing they might have a death record...which they did! Then with the actual death date, I could write for her death certificate. To get a record costs about $20, so you have to be pretty sure you're sending for the right one before you stick the stamp on the envelope.<br />
</span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;"> </span><span style="font-size: 85%;">If anyone wants to join D.A.R. in the future, most of the work is done. All you have to do is document your own records and your parents.<br />
And pay to join. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">And men, don't feel left out. You can join the S.A.R., Sons of the American Revolution.<br />
D.A.R. wasn't formed until 1890, in Washington, D.C. and I read one account that said it was formed in response to women not being allowed to join the all-male descendants of patriots group that existed in their day. The first feminists!<br />
</span></div><span style="font-size: 85%;">Lots more coming soon.</span> <br />
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 85%;">Love,</span></div><span style="font-size: 85%;">Cousin Jan</span> </div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-85094477028105625682008-07-30T16:59:00.000-07:002008-09-19T20:34:02.706-07:00Emaline (Hotchkiss) Roberts died 1890, Lima, OH<div style="text-align: left;font-family:trebuchet ms;"><span style="font-style: italic;">30 July 2008</span><br /></div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in;font-family:trebuchet ms;">Well, hello my dear Gates cousins-<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in;font-family:trebuchet ms;">Did you think you had heard the last of me? Never!<br /> I planned to be writing more often but I got sidetracked figuring out how to put the family tree online for everyone, which is coming along and should be up one of these days…(why doesn't someone harass me to get it finished?)<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">I am writing this to share with you an interesting experience, sort of Twilight Zone-ish, that happened late Monday night, the 28 of July, really the 29, since it was just after midnight. I was doing some research online, looking at some old newspaper archives. (For some reason, this is what I was doing at midnight on a Monday night.) <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">I was explaining to someone else how to use it. “Here’s how you do it,” I said. “You just type in the surname, let’s say <i>Gorton</i>.” I was thinking of W.B. Gorton, Nana’s grandfather. I was hoping to find his obituary in an old newspaper. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">I went on, “…You pick the newspaper, let’s say the Lima Daily Times…”(since the Gortons lived in Lima, Ohio) <span style=""> </span>“…and then you just click on one of these links and see what it says…”<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"><span style=""> </span><span style=""> </span> I clicked the third “Gorton” link down and the following news clip came up.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwvrh5aja3yL2GCBx9e6Is2p5L-xUbUEijqT_u7jDNEyJel92Dw3kf5fxB6cq1wogKyG7F9kKENDRS3tY6vTq807Ofus3DySJKSVJiEi2jxO4zeGP50Pv_xI3YMVAzziBUBuP_I-Gn9ah_/s1600-h/30+july+1890+newspaper+front+page.png"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwvrh5aja3yL2GCBx9e6Is2p5L-xUbUEijqT_u7jDNEyJel92Dw3kf5fxB6cq1wogKyG7F9kKENDRS3tY6vTq807Ofus3DySJKSVJiEi2jxO4zeGP50Pv_xI3YMVAzziBUBuP_I-Gn9ah_/s400/30+july+1890+newspaper+front+page.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5228985889953158738" border="0" /></a></p><p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms"><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jan/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-7.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms"> The headline on the far right (click on image to enlarge or see readable excerpt below) said :<br />“Death’s demands. Two Octagenarians pass away at almost the same hour."<span style=""> </span><br />The next words said “Mrs. Emaline Roberts…” What luck! That was Nana’s great grandmother!<br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: trebuchet ms;"> <span style=""> </span> Apparently two women in their 80’s died within an hour of each other in Lima, Ohio, which is odd and discovering that one of them was Nana’s great grandmother was also odd. But finding her, so unexpectedly, was not the strangest part.<br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">It helps to have the context of this story. You, of course, remember, that Lima, Ohio, is where your grandmother, Frances Lenore Myers, was born. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">I was completely surprised to see Nana’s great grandmother Emaline dying in Lima, Ohio, because, according to my research, Emaline had lived her later years in Cleveland, Ohio. She was born in Connecticut in 1805 and married John Roberts, also from Connecticut, in Gustavus, Trumbull County, Ohio in 1822. They lived in Warren and Mecca, Trumbull County, before they moved to Cleveland in 1870, living there until 1890. John was a machinist and worked at a steam saw mill to support his family of 6 children. What was she doing in Lima, Ohio in 1890? <span style=""><br /></span><o:p></o:p><br /> In calculating her age, I realized, she was 80 years old when she came to Lima, so she had probably left Cleveland because of advancing age (her husband, John Roberts, had died long before her, in about 1871) and came to be cared for by her daughters, Frances Lucinda Gorton, who was 64 at the time, and Ella A. Kennedy, who was 43.<o:p></o:p><br /><br />Let me paint a brief picture of this large family. It was 1890. Nana is just 3 years old, with three older brothers, ages 18, 14 and 9 (younger brother Ralph isn’t born until 1892), living with their mother Mary Augusta Gorton and father, George W. Myers.<o:p></o:p><br /></p><p class="MsoNormal" face="trebuchet ms" style="text-indent: 0.5in;">Mary’s father, “W. B.,” (William Benjamin) Gorton, (Nana’s grandfather) had just died five years ago “of heart problems,” at age 60, after having founded Christ Church in Lima and having created a best-selling flour at his mill called "Lilly White Flour."<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">The matriarch, Emaline, (maiden name, Hotchkiss) Roberts, Mary's grandmother, is coming home to her family of two daughters, both widows, their children and grandchildren. Emaline's younger daughter, Ella A. Kennedy, has a 15 year old son, Harry. Emaline’s oldest daughter, Frances Lucinda Gorton, has two adult married daughters.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">One of the married daughters is Mary, Nana’s mother. Frances' other married daughter is another Ella, who in 1890 is married to Eugene MacKenzie and has two children, ages 9 and 6. (Eugene was the son of Judge James Mackenzie, of Lima, and grandson of William Lyon MacKenzie, <span style=""> </span>member of Parliament, first Mayor of Toronto and leader of the Great Reform Party in Canada, both originally from Scotland.) <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">The married daughters’ husbands, George Myers and Eugene MacKenzie had taken over the Gorton family business, Ottawa Mills (flour), a few years before W.B. Gorton, (Frances’ husband) died in 1885, George quitting his job as a railway express agent and Eugene quitting his job as a town clerk.<br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;"> It is to this extended family that Emaline is returning.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">Seeing things from the genealogical sky, I know that this mill burns down two short years from then and George goes back to working as a railway express agent and Eugene goes into the coal business. Harry dies in 5 years, age 20, (of what I haven’t discovered yet), his mother remarries and moves to California. Nana’s brother Albert dies in 1905, and brother Ralph in 1910, and their mother, Mary A. in 1917, all of TB, and George follows shortly afterwards in 1920 of "gall bladder rupture," age 74. <span style=""> </span>Frances Lucinda Gorton lives to 86, dying in 1912 and her daughter, Ella Mackenzie, lives to be 85, and dies 4 months before I was born, in 1946. Frances Lenore Myers, of course, marries AJ Gates and rises out of Lima and moves to Hartwell, Ohio to begin her family with baby Constance in 1912.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">The significance is that this chance news story caused me to look at a family, going through all the strife and problems of life, much like what we are going through, and not knowing how it is all going to turn out. That is one of the great rewards of genealogy- you get to see things from a much larger perspective than just one lifetime. It allows you to think about why you are here and causes you to value the moment you are given.<br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">But the unusual thing, the twilight zone thing, is that after I had reviewed all those who were in the family, their lives and their deaths, building a picture of their world, I looked closely at the news story and read the date of Emaline’s death:<br /></p><div style="text-align: center;">30 July 1890!<br /></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">I realized that date was... tomorrow! and now as you read this, it is today! <i>She died 118 year ago today!</i> What are the chances that you would discover a death date exactly 118 years later, <i>on that date</i>? I say "on the date" because she probably knew I needed a day to write this.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; font-family: trebuchet ms;">So give a thought to Nana's great grandmother, your great, great, great grandmother- without her we all wouldn't be here.<br /><o:p></o:p></p> <p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" class="MsoNormal"> Hope you are all well. If you have a response you can post it here.<br /><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jan/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-11.jpg" alt="" /><br /><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jan/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-12.jpg" alt="" /> Your cousin,<br />Jan<br /></p> <div style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" class="moz-signature"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJRmwwr0oVW9gJWgglA7f8sASoSFsTEarh3uq7vkdEe8ZUt_2acAA2gxEzQYCIWe2egNOe13wGWwEEYvDq6t3Ec_e6bPQGqfyvCRuHLWBfY5iAKccNLw22uL8yUpMaIUQPE9X9oYg257Gy/s1600-h/30+july+1890+part+1.png"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJRmwwr0oVW9gJWgglA7f8sASoSFsTEarh3uq7vkdEe8ZUt_2acAA2gxEzQYCIWe2egNOe13wGWwEEYvDq6t3Ec_e6bPQGqfyvCRuHLWBfY5iAKccNLw22uL8yUpMaIUQPE9X9oYg257Gy/s400/30+july+1890+part+1.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5228986160540072946" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><p><br /><img alt="" src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Jan/My%20Documents/TO%20FILE/tree2.jpg" width="100" height="88" /><br /></p> </div> <p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" class="MsoNormal"><br /><o:p></o:p></p> <p style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" class="MsoNormal"><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jan/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-10.jpg" alt="" /><br /><o:p></o:p></p> <img style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jan/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-6.jpg" alt="" /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLe33o01_upJfcServGhbWawckelm7E8RtCA_HGDE-xw4ez0rL4MKe_lSlWtw5D-WDwBIHXHqT8yGFdYuXzRG1b5iaXzW-pQRiu-AS9Wgx9x6PzL6nO5Iz1dSVo4j1NoNX3ohzKaOBOlx4/s1600-h/30+july+1890+part+2.png"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLe33o01_upJfcServGhbWawckelm7E8RtCA_HGDE-xw4ez0rL4MKe_lSlWtw5D-WDwBIHXHqT8yGFdYuXzRG1b5iaXzW-pQRiu-AS9Wgx9x6PzL6nO5Iz1dSVo4j1NoNX3ohzKaOBOlx4/s400/30+july+1890+part+2.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5228986608596741554" border="0" /></a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-23487740300914626362008-01-23T23:38:00.000-08:002010-03-03T15:23:16.965-08:00Who are the people in these photos?<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Hello dear cousins,<br /></span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">From our dear Aunt Pat, via Ryn and via Barb, have come some new family photos. Knowing that on the back of them there are no names, I find myself thinking there should be a law that requires people to write a caption in pencil on the back (lightly on the edge...) for every photo taken.<br /><br />But since there were no captions, I have been trying to figure out who these people are. Would you be interested in my conclusions?</span><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">It's amazing what you can deduce from a photo without knowing anything about it, just by studying it for a long time. Little details that you don't notice at first begin to come into your awareness after you stare at the photo for a while.<br /><br /></span><a style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEioAdEPMznvqx1Qg5eTQOITRu3JiAZyl-9_s3xyDlY9qH8UPvPw-mTxea7ahCR3_DijocTlSQLO5PYRKFUzmeCoH2eGsRYIlstiIGp27zq01AmUs0RUI2O1imFBbdAlI4P9pQj2G8uVI6cQ/s1600-h/barbarahemerlingmaybe.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEioAdEPMznvqx1Qg5eTQOITRu3JiAZyl-9_s3xyDlY9qH8UPvPw-mTxea7ahCR3_DijocTlSQLO5PYRKFUzmeCoH2eGsRYIlstiIGp27zq01AmUs0RUI2O1imFBbdAlI4P9pQj2G8uVI6cQ/s200/barbarahemerlingmaybe.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5158978930144778914" border="0" /></a><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">The first lady with the black hat? I think this is Barbara Hemerling (Elizabeth LaSalle's mother. Elizabeth LaSalle was the mother of our grandfather, A.J.Gates.) The lady in the photo looks about 60 or 70 (note the gray hair) in the photo. It looks to be an 1890-1900 photo (from the style of the dress and hat) so she would have to be born about 1830 to be 70. Barbara was born in1829. Barbara came from the Alsace-Lorraine part of Germany and Austria (Vienna, said my mother). Doesn't this lady have that proud Austrian look? (Am I making this up?)<br /><br /></span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Skip the following genealogical analysis unless you want to know the convoluted kind of thinking people who attempt genealogy must endure:</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:trebuchet ms;" > [There are only a few women on the family tree who were alive in 1880-1900, the time of this photo. The lady in the photo is too old to be Mary Augusta Gorton, Grandmother's mother. (Mary Augusta was 40 in 1890, not 70). The lady in the photo has a thin face so she can't be Francis Lucinda Roberts, who has a very round face. (See photo in Geneablog #1).</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:trebuchet ms;" >She looks a bit too young to be John Charles Gates' mother, Sibylla Steffler Goetz, who was born abt 1814, and would be about 76 in 1890.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:trebuchet ms;" > That she has glasses on makes me think of Mary Augusta Gorton and her mother, Frances Lucinda Roberts, who both wore glasses, and since eyesight is often hereditary, maybe this is Emaline Hotchkiss, (Frances Lucinda's mother...)? But Emaline was born in 1805 and she died in 1890 at age 85 So it's probably not her.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:trebuchet ms;" > George W. Myers wore glasses so maybe it's </span><i style="font-family: trebuchet ms; font-style: italic;">his</i><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:trebuchet ms;" > mother, Catherine Myers? George W. Myers' mother was born in 1808, so if she lived to 1890 for this photo, she'd also be 82 which is much older than this lady. So I'm back to Barbara.]</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Barbara Hemerling </span><i style="font-family: trebuchet ms;">was </i><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">alive in 1900 (was on the 1900 census) and she was about 70 years old then. She and her second husband, Andrew Meyers, lived with her daughter, Elizabeth, and with Elizabeth's husband, John Charles Gates and their 8 children, second youngest being Augustus Joseph Francis Gates. Because Barbara lived with Elizabeth, Barbara's photo would have likely been passed down to her daughter, Elizabeth, and then to her daughter's children, A.J. Gates being one and then it went to Aunt Pat, the youngest in the family.</span><br /><br /><a style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6Fd0H2HO2a6blihsPKjNPeGPbeDTt-s12qhB54bS4HIhKWqlhSsVM5U2FccVkq8dZC7fatAphp0_HbNc1Nxk4iWvTkC5pIX0-V2Zc44bBdc-5QSRTcNl6hUj1cUBuhPeuZi3g-I4dKjqq/s1600-h/isthisnana.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6Fd0H2HO2a6blihsPKjNPeGPbeDTt-s12qhB54bS4HIhKWqlhSsVM5U2FccVkq8dZC7fatAphp0_HbNc1Nxk4iWvTkC5pIX0-V2Zc44bBdc-5QSRTcNl6hUj1cUBuhPeuZi3g-I4dKjqq/s200/isthisnana.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5158979415476083378" border="0" /></a><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Who is the baby? The photo is around 1880-1890. If you study the baby's face, you may be re</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">minded of someone else who has very petite lips and who tilts her head for all her photos. I'm fairly sure that this photo is of </span><a style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrVVfcC_xWJ_rZqlwWHXtSuChb7O-95TNbg4ajkDjkPxBS3rzdFPn795j0w8czWnEaC3mSBIFizbfQwZXPjx5QTxLiEgEK_348Wvd5RtvMj46eLSt1tQyb_puYSpBKfHDDX7zN6tBsnKEi/s1600-h/my+little+girl+at+six+months-isthisnana.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrVVfcC_xWJ_rZqlwWHXtSuChb7O-95TNbg4ajkDjkPxBS3rzdFPn795j0w8czWnEaC3mSBIFizbfQwZXPjx5QTxLiEgEK_348Wvd5RtvMj46eLSt1tQyb_puYSpBKfHDDX7zN6tBsnKEi/s200/my+little+girl+at+six+months-isthisnana.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5158979896512420546" border="0" /></a><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Grandmother, Frances Lenore Myers, around 1889, about age 2. The first clue is that in the front right-hand corner of </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">the photo, it says "Lima, </span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Ohio." (I didn't see that until I had studied the photo several different times.) Lima is where Grandmother was born. The caption of the second photo, also with "Lima, Ohio" printed on the front, says, "My little girl at six months," in handwriting "that looks like grandmother's," says Ryn and Barb. Grandmother is the only girl in the family of Myers children born in Lima, Ohio. I have seen Mary Augusta's handwriting in inscriptions in books given to Grandmother, and their handwriting is almost exactly the same.(And like my mother's). So the 6 month-old baby must be Grandmother herself again.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">And who are these lovely ladies below?</span><br /><br /><a style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc-r0i-t3P2WUveKZKGIOU9WdxuSLIerS5hyphenhyphenmFd1yJ7c8tLgtKxJ3I7hZsGKGlSbYhhUHhARSlvG4buZm6Toj_DaLT-ac3xHtfvBz9UJxPkRY9kyDaf3-b-OqXgx2vpYxszJF5M8bIqqMC/s1600-h/ElizLaSalletintedpink.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc-r0i-t3P2WUveKZKGIOU9WdxuSLIerS5hyphenhyphenmFd1yJ7c8tLgtKxJ3I7hZsGKGlSbYhhUHhARSlvG4buZm6Toj_DaLT-ac3xHtfvBz9UJxPkRY9kyDaf3-b-OqXgx2vpYxszJF5M8bIqqMC/s200/ElizLaSalletintedpink.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5158980407613528786" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">The first tinted image is Elizabeth LaSalle at about age 16-20, in abt. 1865 to 1869. (I know this from a <span style="font-style: italic;">captioned</span>! photo that Connie gave to all her children.) Barb said the original photo was on a piece of porcelain. Elizabeth has on her best New Orleans style dress, reminiscent of the Civil war styles</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">(1865)</span><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">, like in Gone with the Wind. Could this be her coming out party at age 16? Perhaps her wedding? It seems to be more of a ball gown than a wedding dress to me. She gets married to John Charles Gates at age 20, in 1870. Does she look 16? or 20? I think 16.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Next, who is the lady in black on a tintype? Tintypes were invented in 1856 and in mass use by 1870 or earlier. I think she looks like Elizabeth LaSalle again, more around the age of 20 or so. She's got that same hair style, </span><a style="font-family: trebuchet ms;" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5_5vPP4p5rq3uZuzug2nXL9CbkFGrFeLtic6QDPZqRHQnH5iUB9vL_ZSi-CRgDzD8HoPVZ3xuWKHNdjCDCLKDJa5APofuHNL-Feb7EeoL80jzVxB2vvmxiIwlTt_8N4aB1n0F01PQbGVg/s1600-h/unknownladyinblacktintype.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5_5vPP4p5rq3uZuzug2nXL9CbkFGrFeLtic6QDPZqRHQnH5iUB9vL_ZSi-CRgDzD8HoPVZ3xuWKHNdjCDCLKDJa5APofuHNL-Feb7EeoL80jzVxB2vvmxiIwlTt_8N4aB1n0F01PQbGVg/s200/unknownladyinblacktintype.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5158980523577645794" border="0" /></a><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">parted in the middle with a similar little curl coming down on the forehead and she seems to have the same nose. What do you think?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Uncle Bill, do you have any memory of the first photo at the top being referred to as Grandma Gates' mother, Barbara Hemerling?<br />Maybe you remember one of those sessions where the older people take out the photos and spread them out on the table and point out who was who and the younger people look at the photos on the table and say, "who is that again?" If only they had written something, anything, on the back of the photos.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">So, cousins, remember, if you don't want your grandchildren to be wondering whether to throw those pictures out or not, write captions on your photos!</span><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Thanks Ryn and Barb (and Aunt Pat) for the pictures.</span><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Love,</span><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">your cousin,</span><br /><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">Janet</span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214218711400316693.post-734446464663153792007-12-11T18:22:00.000-08:002008-07-30T21:49:01.746-07:00First geneablog: John N. ROBERTS<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXwszi3ccoKRZhQsiUk8-ISVJQ_sAQ8Yw0L6OVXv2iWHfAY24iYtIw56oEGkW9FbTuHK0wPU8k8Zi-zFwg1H59j7mew-2NKYSm3cJjk7G4i9hxdbYv0e0_V28pThSfQXOnRbBknmutEML2/s1600-h/gen+john+n.+roberts+b+1838"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXwszi3ccoKRZhQsiUk8-ISVJQ_sAQ8Yw0L6OVXv2iWHfAY24iYtIw56oEGkW9FbTuHK0wPU8k8Zi-zFwg1H59j7mew-2NKYSm3cJjk7G4i9hxdbYv0e0_V28pThSfQXOnRbBknmutEML2/s200/gen+john+n.+roberts+b+1838" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5142600360069540946" border="0" /></a>11 December 2007<br />Hello, my Gates cousins and anyone else who is reading this.<br />This is the first installment of my <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">geneablog</span></span>. I hope you find it interesting.<br /><br />The photo on the left is that of John N. ROBERTS (photo from <a href="http://www.castletearoom.com/">The Castle Tea Room</a>).<br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5Z-Kl42fjxQsWZTK-8TeM5CcnL8PI0_ytPczkA755YZA1RaSQuXvNZQsNGhwHvvYGKKvhz6_gB5dBeBfPdqu_VbBcH99Csye580Jvh6dGX7L0eChSAebf-2r1NL_PXzD-puEEsOjK7RAd/s1600-h/opt-Lucinda-Frances-Roberts.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5Z-Kl42fjxQsWZTK-8TeM5CcnL8PI0_ytPczkA755YZA1RaSQuXvNZQsNGhwHvvYGKKvhz6_gB5dBeBfPdqu_VbBcH99Csye580Jvh6dGX7L0eChSAebf-2r1NL_PXzD-puEEsOjK7RAd/s200/opt-Lucinda-Frances-Roberts.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5143211246152953202" border="0" /></a><br />He's our great, great grand uncle. He was the younger brother of our great, great grandmother, Lucinda Frances ROBERTS , aka Frances L. GORTON in her older years (photo on right). She was born in Warren, Trumbull County, Ohio in 1826 and he was born 12 miles away in Mecca, Trumbull County, OH, 12 years later, in 1838.<br /><br />Thanks to Jocelyn (and her superior search skills) who found the first information on John N., I have ordered his probably riveting book, <span style="font-style: italic;"><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Reminiscences</span> of the Civil War</span> (which he wrote in 1925, at age 87) to see if he speaks of his (our!) ancestors in it.<br /><br />I am hoping to find a lot about John N. because he is my link to Lucinda's, and my, (and your, my Gates cousins) ancestry. In case you've forgotten, Mary Augusta <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">GORTON</span></span> (married as MYERS) was our grandmother's mother, and Lucinda Frances ROBERTS (married as <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">GORTON</span></span>) was Mary Augusta's mother. All oriented now?<br /><br /><br />Before I speculate about our probable <span style="font-style: italic;">second</span> Patriot in the family, I am waiting to find out for sure who John N. says (in his book) his grandfather was. John N. states (in an excerpt from his book) that his grandfather ROBERTS was a Revolutionary Patriot but does not give his first name and I can find no identifying record of his grandfather's marriage or birth of his children...yet.<br /><br />John N. and Lucinda's<span style="font-style: italic;"> father</span> was a John ROBERTS who was born "near Hartford," CT around 1800, according to John N.'s book and OH census records. John marries, at age 22, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">Emaline</span></span> <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">HOTCHKISS</span></span>, from New Haven, CT in 1822, in Gustavus, Trumbull County, OH. We have a copy of this record.<br /><br />In the D.A.R. Patriot book, there are three "William ROBERTS" listings:<br />#1. born 1749, from NY, with wife, Phebe FULLER;<br />#2. born 1754, from MA, with wife <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">Eliz</span> MARVIN; and<br />#3. born 1762, from VT, with service in VT, MA and CT, with wife Margaret MERRILL.<br /><br />I found out some more about the William Roberts whose wife is Margaret Merrill. He was born in 1762, in West <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">Simsbury</span></span> (now called "Canton"), CT (William, the Patriot, was born "near Hartford" says John N.'s book excerpt) and he moves to Gustavus, OH after the war where he dies in 1833.<br /><br />"Gustavus"- doesn't that ring a bell? John N. and Lucinda's parents, John Roberts and <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">Emaline</span> <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">Hotchkiss</span> get married in Gustavus in 1822.<br /><br />The fact that John and <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">Emaline</span></span> are from CT but get married in Gustavus, OH and John's father, named Roberts, was a Patriot, and there <span style="font-style: italic;">is</span> a Roberts patriot who moves from CT to Gustavus, OH makes me think this William is the ancestor I am looking for.<br /><br />It would make sense that a son of 22 would follow his parents from CT to their new home in OH and take his girlfriend and then get married there. How likely is it that more than one John Roberts left CT and moved to Gustavus? Well, there could have been two John Roberts if a large group of related Roberts family members all went together, so I'll wait until I have some proof before I say I'm sure.<br /><br />I suspect that maybe this was bounty land. Must do some more historical sleuthing. Was Ohio part of bounty lands given to Rev. War patriots? Where's a historian when you need one?<br /><br />The Revolutionary War pension records refer to "William Roberts" as "the only Revolutionary pensioner by that name in Gustavus" but that still doesn't <span style="font-style: italic;">prove</span> that he is John N. and Lucinda's father. There might have been another Roberts Patriot who moved from CT to OH that D.A.R. doesn't have listed. (?)<br /><br />Luckily, when William Roberts, the Patriot, died, his wife, Margaret, had to file many papers to get his pension transferred to her. One record is an <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">affidavit</span>, in 1839, from her, stating that she has no record of her marriage (married 1785, in <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">Granby</span></span>, CT) nor of the birth of her children...the children she doesn't list!<br /><br />John N. Roberts was an interesting character because after serving in the Civil War, he moved to Lawrence, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12">KS</span></span> where he built a house of stone that looked like a castle. (See "story" at <a href="http://www.castletearoom.com/">The Castle Tea Room</a>). He even went to Hawaii and back at the age of 89, right before his death.<br /><br />John N.'s only daughter Isabel Brandon ROBERTS, "Belle", married, first, Herbert ARMSTRONG of Topeka, KS, then second, Mark OTIS, of Chicago. When Mark died of the flu in 1918, John N., his wife Emily (<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13">SUTLIFF</span></span>), and his daughter Belle moved to San Diego, California, to start life anew. Belle was born in July 1870 and died in March 1970 in San Diego, a few months short of 100 years old. <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14">Longevity</span>! Unfortunately, I have found no record of Belle having any children.<br /><br />John N. Roberts refers to his earliest Roberts ancestor as a "Major ROBERTS, from the Scottish Highlands," who was in the British Army and came to Connecticut in the 1600's. So cousins, if he's right, we're Scottish! Jocelyn says the Roberts/Robertson name has a plaid so get ready for the kilts!<br /><br />More on John N. Roberts when his book comes all the way from a Kansas library to me on <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15">interlibrary</span></span> loan. And then more on his grandfather, William the Patriot, I hope.<br />What do you think about this latest addition to our family?<br /><br />I think that you can comment on this page at the bottom so you don't have to return email to everyone.<br />Love, your cousin,<br />JanUnknownnoreply@blogger.com5